1 Test-Cyp: Your thoughts
Hey all- New member here, but not new to the game.
5+ years gear experience, most major compounds at this point. Recently introduced GH to the game. Competing this summer as a heavyweight.
Anyways, I'd love to see some open discussion on 1-test-cyp. For those of you that don't know, it is a DHB (Dihydroboldenone) class of steroid, which actually puts it more chemically similar to primobolan than anything else. I see a lot of people comparing it to EQ, especially when I did a search on this own board to see what has already been talked about.
That being said, based on what I see, it looks like a great intermediary for someone who is more advanced and looking for something new, potentially as a precursor to tren.
ALSO- it sounds amazing for something contest-related, as if it does act anything like primo, it is a good deal cheaper and can probably be run at higher doses with it being more cost effective. This is what intrigues me about it
An example cycle could be something like this:
1-16 3-500mg test
1-16 5-700 mg 1-test cyp
10-16 winstrol 50mg/day
(potentially mast?)
I see higher doses for longer periods of time being more beneficiary, if this drug indeed acts like primo or eq in any way. A lot of guys never give these drugs the dosages or length they need to truly shine. It also could be a healthy replacement to EQ in a test/eq/tren cycle, as many report harsh mental sides when stacking EQ and tren in the same cycle.
Thoughts?
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This is the 1-test cyp cycle I ran last summer:
1-14 400mg/wk Test C
1-14 500mg/wk 1-test C
HGH 4iu/day
4-14 Arimidex .25mg/E3D
That cycle definitely sold me on 1-test. My primary goal with that cycle was a recomp and it worked perfectly. I exploded and put inches on everywhere. My shoulders gained 2in, 1in on biceps, 3in around chest/back and lost ½ in around waist. By the end of the cycle I had gained a solid 9lbs and dropped 3% BF. I say a solid 9 lbs because I retained all of it after PCT, including most of the inches, so it was good lean mass and not all water weight. The vascularity and strength gains were pretty insane. The vascularity effects I received from it lead me to believe that this would be an excellent pre-contest compound. My biceps looked like I had fire hoses running through them and I had spider web veins spreading across my chest and shoulders. All of this was noticeable with a BF of 9-10%. I can only imagine the results at 4-5% BF. Towards the end of my cycle when my BF was the lowest, I also noticed that more dense, hard, and grainy look to my muscles. Once again I can only imagine how that would have looked on stage at 4%, but I was still impressed how it gave that hard polished looked at 9%BF.
I noticed no negative side effects from it. I had tons of energy, libido great, no mood swings and didn’t experience any insomnia. Alpha feeling all the way. The one thing that I did notice was that I still had to keep up with my AI, a little bit more than what I needed for a test only cycle at 500mg/wk. 1-test supposedly doesn’t aromatize to any appreciable degree so my increased use of AI has me somewhat perplexed. I am just speculating here, but this could be due to the fact that 1-test has a much greater affinity for the receptors than the test which may be leaving more test left over to aromatize.
I should also mention I experienced no pip from this compound. I had two different brands during my run and both were smooth. Many people seem to shy away from this compound because they hear of these pip horror stories from it. I should mention that if you are allergic to EO, guiaicol, and all that stuff then this is not a compound for you and the horror stories are true. This is one of the hardest compounds to keep in solution and some hefty amounts of solvents are present in it.
As far as dosing with this compound, I see no need to go above 500mg. For my first run of it I probably should have kept it around 300-400mg. This stuff is strong and the results are dramatic. It is supposedly 5x more anabolic than test and I believe that to be true. The test only cycle I ran fails in comparison with the addition of the 1-test and I was running less test during this cycle.
I also think that a cycle longer than 14 wks with this stuff is probably unnecessary. The gains really seemed to taper off approaching that 14 wk mark so I think the receptors were pretty saturated by that point and there was no point to continue.
I think 1-test is a very versatile compound and as always your diet will dictate the results. I really think it would particularly shine as a cutter since it doesn't seem to aromatize to any appreciable degree and it really seems to bring out awesome vascularity as well as polishing the muscles with that hard, grainy and dense look. All of this while still gaining quality mass and losing fat. My next contest prep is likely going to include 1-test with either mast or var and very low test.
I am going to be starting an EQ run in a week, so it will be interesting to compare the two. They say that about 5% of EQ converts to DHB.
Yes real 1-test cyp with no EO or guiaicol is a one way Ticket to PIP City. I've used this compound back in 2003 before using those things to dissolve/anesthetic were common, and WOW the pain was unreal! And I think it was dosed low too if I remember correctly like 100mg/cc.
Couple of other things I should point out.
I didn't have any BP issues on this cycle. Some people have mentioned its similarity to EQ so I was concerned about my BP since EQ seems to have the potential to raise it, especially for older dudes like me. Everything was well within range the whole cycle. I also didn't experience any increases in appetite, known to happen with EQ. So how similiar to EQ is it, I don't know other than the approximate 5% conversion of EQ to DHB.
I did have an initial BP spike with the 1-test, Tumeric and cardio brought it under control. I also did not experience any increase in hunger. It was a struggle to eat the whole way.
Excellent, excellent review. This is just what I was looking for.
In regards to you needing more of your AI while on, I had a similar experience when adding low doses of tren to a high test bulk. Within a few weeks I noticed I had actually added some bloat, even though tren is not known for that at all. My conclusion was also some extra test left unbound converting over to estrogen.
That being said, do you feel this compound produces a look that is unique to say mast/var combination? From my experiences, mast/var always dries me out, brings out vascularity, and adds to that dense mature look. However, I usually don't feel like I gain much if any LBM when running them. This is where 1-test cyp seems to stand out.
Unfortunately I can't answer your question right now since I haven't ran mast or var. Hopefully someone else has had some experience with that stack. I would really like to see what a 1-test/mast/low test/provi stack would do. This will likely be my contest prep cycle next year. Shouldn't need any AI with that combo and I would think the mast would help with drying out and really enhancing the vascularity brought on by the 1-test.
I can take a guess at what it would do. It would make your hair fall out! I'm on 1-test right now and it is definately dry, harder on the hair, and makes you strong.
Great read makwa thanks for sharing
Good stuff M, +2.
Still need to talk about this with you. I've got a couple of ideas I'd like to run by you and get your thoughts. I'll PM you at some point.
Hit me up whenever you want.
Damn good write up. You covered everything. I haven't really heard much about this compound.
+1
Makwa is the man you want for this one. Seems to be one off the few of us that have run 1test that got it right.
Load him up with the info he requires and I'm sure he'll be happy to help.
I guess I didn't have enough up there to begin with?
5+ years cycle experience. I now blast and cruise as I don't enjoy putting my body through such extreme limbo anymore. First few were test only, some orals in and out, intermediate days test/deca test eq, working into test/tren/mast as I began competing. As a heavy weight competitor, my contest weight would lie between 198-225 lb. I'm on the ladder side at 5'9. Age 28
Anything else needed?
Put some stats up and I'll tell you all about my run with it last cycle.
If you've been reading here, you missed the part where we need your stats before we can offer any advice chief.