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Okay..not going into the full report of what causes PIP. The google bar will take you to those discussions.

First way to avoid PIP is research and being prepared. Some gear has very high ratings but will still have some pip.
Many times it simply has to do with how your body reacts and not necessarily the gear. Other times its ALL user error.

So lets talk basics.
Heating gear is by far the easiest and most common way to avoid pip. I always heat all my oils.
Take a double shot glass or coffee cup, get tap water hot, and put your vials into the cup. Let that water run slowly into that cup at least 5 minutes.
Hot shower during the time helps because it gets muscles relaxed and blood flowing. Dry vial and alcohol swab prior to pulling out the amount needed.
Heated oil flows easily into the muscle and since its thinner it disperses rather than sits as a chemical marble in your muscles...causing pain.

Now, pin sizes has been discussed many times as well.
23 x 1.5 for glutes and 25 x 1 for quads, delts, etc. But I'm constantly getting PM about pip thru a 25 x 1.
As I question the person, they describe the error. Whether its a 23 to the glutes or a 25 to the quads, the biggest problem is how hard you push that plunger which results in the above mentioned marble of oil.
A 25 is a tiny pin so it forces you to pin slower. Simply pinning any oil slower typically erases all pain.
But many get that 25 and then push the plunger HARDER. Slow the roll guys/girls!
On a 23 you should be slower than 30 seconds per cc.
25 is no different and since the 25 is used for most pip gear (props) take extra time.
As your pushing harder on the plunger and making that marble you're also shaking and making that pin move.
As that pin moves nicking veins and tapping nerves, here comes your pip oil to really piss them off.
I like hitting the 25 at 1 minute per cc. NOW, since some oils just simply hurt, so there's also a method as BLENDING.
Its easier to do when you're better skilled with pins and rotation but by second/third cycle you're doing prop anyways.

And no its not only prop that has PIP!
Many of the newer high MG steroids have more pip because there's more of that parent hormone in the muscle at one time to cause irritation.SO...blending is nothing more than getting out the pencil and paper and doing basic math.
Say you're doing test/eq and a prop that has pip. We know that just the test eq we typically pin biweekly, because the long esters.
But were here to avoid PIP.
So if our cycle is 600/600, how bout taking our 1cc of PIP prop and adding half cc of EQ.
The added lil oil helps relieve the irritation know as PIP. Some sources offer sterilized oil specifically for this purpose. It adds a lil oil without messing with math or effecting weekly dosages.
HOWEVER, research oil and how it effects your body in high doses!
And all ya need to do is keep your weekly dose at 600mg eq. And if it comes out mathematically that blending causes the EQ to be +/- 50mg a week, its not a huge fluctuation.
Typically the prop is 4 weeks in front of cycle so after you are positively doing a flat 600/wk.
Reading the labels of your gear is also a key to success or less pain.
Some oils regardless of preparation by heating and pin size just will NOT agree with your body.
If by chance eo hurts and grapeseed is pip free for your body, then use common sence.
Trial and error as well as just Man The Fk Up is your keys to success.
You have to keep in mind that in reality you're shoving a steel nail into yourself and forcing in a foreign substance.

BFG's picture

moving to newbie corner

Nitti's picture

Want to avoid pip? Don't use steroids. If you choose to use AAS, expect to get pip periodically. If you can't handle it, there is a ladies group where they talk about their vaginal cramping and what nut. Have fun

MR.T's picture

what if i have already used the vial and draw with an 18g from it, would it be okay to still put is under water?

skywalker's picture

Im thinking of running a test/mast/tren 240 blend and I am concerned about the pip, I've done a prop cycle before, and some of the jabs were a nightmare, I pinned my quad and the pip was so bad I had a limp, and could train legs for a week after because it was so painful. I had to lie to my boss in work why I was limping. If the prop on its own was sore I can't imagine what to other compounds added in will be like

fast48's picture

Many folks on here work in/around the medical scene. All the doctors/nurses use those fatty needles and slam it home. Each time that person is sore regardless of the chemical. The med places work on VOLUME. Fast in and to the next patient. But for the trt or gym rats....there is a better way. Even with a 3cc shot and small pin you can avoid oil lumps simply with hitting 1cc in different areas. Or splitting shots over time. Some gear just hurts....but if there's a way then make it easiest for you.

fast48's picture

Thank you bro! Some tips help and other times there's nothing you can do to curb the pip. It just doesn't work with your body... :(

fast48's picture

Reality.......them learning that taper is key to every future cycle. Years ago we had no real checkpoints. Read doctors shot manual and jumped in. trial n error or spritzer! Lol!

fast48's picture

I'm just a blooming idiot. Lol

10000ngdl's picture

The best way to avoid PIP is to walk it off. Also while im here I want to ask you something fast. Why did you remove me from your friends list? Did I leave you butt hurt?

Thatguy9's picture

our stats are identicle...dead on

Thatguy9's picture

my bad , thought that was at me dog

Thatguy9's picture

I didnt remove anyone that I know of ...fr sent

fast48's picture

Walking it off is always the best way. Butt hurt? No. i went thru lists and simply dumped about 50 folks. Pm work has been busy...hadn't heard from ya.

AlphaTiger2011's picture

LOL i hear ya there, I might get alot of friend request but I dont accept everyone

fast48's picture

Funny part is many of the most heated convos on here trying to teach a newb....end up sending request and announce they read the forums and the i pushed em towards the right choice. Went from pissin match to lets figure out how to meet the goals. Pm is tons easier. The OP can easily check possible cycle with a few vets and post a fairly finaluzed cycle log. Pushing that research button can work. Lol!!!

Thatguy9's picture

Oh C'mon , I lost my single point again ,WTF Fast , I was kidding , I post one Question bout pip and Ive lost 1 got it back and lost it again , Fuck this , Im goin to give myself a painless shot of prop and goin to the gym ,secret handshake fucks

fast48's picture

Eventually a mod will Pop in and clear the board n give it back. We get heated no doubt but no 4 wheeling over hott chicks.

Thatguy9's picture

Fine , sorry . I dont even know your wife Alpha , I was fuckin around

AlphaTiger2011's picture

I know its all good just try not to get so mad when someone might say something you don't like cuz it happens alot lol

fast48's picture

Shes hott. And he's good at info too. Lately its been Hella facebook here with whiners so everyone is poking jabs.

Have a good day!

AlphaTiger2011's picture

She said she like when you call her hott,, is there something I should know? Did something happen when I was.in county? Lol

fast48's picture

Just enjoyed the view ;). Lol! My fiance is Sicilian.....it she can't jump in she gets pissed. Lol

Thatguy9's picture

Im Sicilian , maybe that's the issue .lmao , again,my bad

fast48's picture

Haaa! Welcome to the family! Im German so its axis powers in our house. Lol!

Thatguy9's picture

You too , Thanx

AlphaTiger2011's picture

There's nothing to kid about when you start cussin and bringing up people's wife and fucking them, just try and take it easy on that kind of talk if you can

fast48's picture

No pain...no gain. Just like tatts.....they belong on those that earned em ; )

AlphaTiger2011's picture

Lmao Amen Z.. Ohh Shit, Red Words!!

fast48's picture

Lol! As long as good heated discussions teach someone. I eonder what all was erased? Lol

Smh

fast48's picture

Its like those voice dubbed karate movies. Lol

Thatguy9's picture

You Racist Fuck

fast48's picture

I clearly missed a lot here. Celtic is correct. Most folks buy cheap shit and it just flat hurts regardless of prep work. Buy quality. And use proper prep work. Ultimatly every body is different and in the end....gotta man up and Live the pain

Thatguy9's picture

Mind your biz Jim , Noone likes a kiss ass

jimmie's picture

Just answering your question dude. And please use the reply button, makes the thread a lot cleaner.

Thatguy9's picture

Thanks