posted Fri, 11/10/2023 - 03:56
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What length to pin
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I always pin my delts with a 25g 1inch and it’s never an issue and never bothers me . I was debating on starting to pin my glutes to give my delts a break . I ordered some 1.5 inch but it seems so long . Can you pin glutes with 1 inch or will it not go deep enough to get into the muscle . Just looking for input on pin lengths for each site people use
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True, but not true. Almost all injections are not aspirated, and when I say almost all, it’s a 99+ percentage. The key word in my last sentence was “almost”. The same 99+ percentage is applicable to medicinal injections where the solution is oil based. I’ve spent a very long time in healthcare, hold degrees, there are hardly any injectable medications suspended/dissolved in oil. Aspirate it, thank me later.
Not that I don't believe you but I wonder about the actual true stats. But to be on safe side aspirate.
My bro nothing but love for you, wasn’t trying to offend you. Not sure the actual percentage, but I’m willing to bet the 99.9 reference is close. Oil just isn’t used anymore except for hormones and literally a few other meds.
Nah no offense taken at all. I didn't take it like that man lol. You just made a normal comment.. Like I told kinda fit kinda fat I wasn't sure about 99% that's all. And yes most medications are water soluble. But I misread your comment..
Well I don't know about 99% so not sure if that number is completely true. Yes it has been standard medical protocol, which I know a little something about. Brother there are ALOT of guys around this place that have or had a medical background, just saying lol. But I understand what you're saying.
Based on some newer ways of teaching the angle is more of a determination and correct needle length.
Yes
Oh absolutely, technique is key. So newer teaching (my current position is only following company protocol to a tee, liability reasons) any subcutaneous injection is skin pinched and a forty five degree angle and intramuscular injection at a ninety degree angle to the muscle and needle length determined by height and weight stature?
I’ve pinned glutes with 25g 1in pins and I felt it works best with lower volumes of oil like 1/2cc’s. Even with half a cc I felt it wasn’t deep enough. I switched to 23g 1-1/2in pins and they seem to work awesome. Less give when depressing on the plunger and I don’t feel a “bubble” form when using the longer pins. Only downside I’ve seen was that it fucked up the stoppers on the vial and found pieces in the oil. Other than that I always think about the trauma the 23g does to the muscle. Thinking about going to 25g 1-1/2 but I know that that shit is gonna take some strength to push out that oil.
That damn 1-1/2 needle does look at bit too long! I stick to 1inch. Just looks safer and less painful lol.
I ALWAYS say to myself “AWWW SHIT, HERE WE GO AGAIN!” ever since I got these fuckin 1-1/2 pins. I don’t think I’ll ever be “comfortable” with it lol. Whenever I’m all the way in I’m like yup that’s my ass bone lmao. For delts I’m gonna go with 1/2 inch pins. 1- 1/2 really is a motherfucker tho lmao I’m getting sick just thinking about it honestly.
My thoughts exactly. The end of that 1.5 inch needle extends to eternity. I feel like that extra half inch is way too much for me. Lol it's definitely a mental thing.
tormentorjust do ventrogluteal site, 1" is plenty.
Keep using those Green Harpoons and your ass will be leaking oil through those holes in no time!! Lmao
Yah I’m thinking of getting some 25g 1-1/2in needles and use the 23g for fuckin drawing lol like I said shit draws like a dream but it fucks up the stoppers.
Won’t find that, not sterile for injection. 1.5” at 25g is long, too much of a risk of bending of snapping. 1.5” will be 23g my bro.
Yes he is 100% correct...you can find
25 gauge 1.5 inch needles. That's fact.
Brother, they got the 25g in 1-1/2 and it’s from BD. I’m pretty sure it’s made out of stainless steel which is fuckin pretty much indestructible. I can message you where I get it from if you want. It’ll bend but I’m confident it won’t snap off from a single bend.
+1 Yep I knew exactly what you were referring to. Good stuff brother! Long ago I was thinking they would bend or break, but that's just not the case. Lol that would be a liability if that were the case. Needles are stainless steel and somewhat durable.
Man I wish I had 2 more likes left lol. That’s a dream set up for IM of what we do. I’ll give you thumbs up tomorrow and please dm me where I can get these. Thanks bro
I got you my bro!
How many muscles do you rotate? I’ve never had an issue using a 22g unless I’m going EOD. That’s always been my go to.
I’m only using slow esters and I figure that just the glutes will suffice and I’m not going over 1.5cc’s at a time. When I do decide on using faster esters I’ll eventually rotate between my delts and glutes. What about you, what sites do you pin?
I only hit delts and I alternate everytime. It’s never an issue just figured it would be nice to pin somewhere else and delts so delts don’t get pinned as much
That’s a small muscle group. Try quads too, especially with higher volume.
I always use a 25g 1.5” for glutes, and a 28g 1” for Delts. You’ve got more skin on your glutes, so a 1.5” gets deeper into the muscle.
What’s your experience like with the 25g long boys to the glutes?
It’s my GoTo because 23g caused some PIP. Nothing major, but I prefer no PIP. I also ALWAYS warm my oils, otherwise the flow is a little too slow and time consuming
28g for delts . How’s the push out of that has to be hard ? 25g in my delts never bothers me
I have to use a loading pin with warmed oil. It’s a slower process, but ya hardly feel the pin go in.
Solid advice.
Just try it out. Once you feel the pinch you’re good. Like Makwa said, deeper is better.
Thats what she said!
I’m lower body fat definitely not a fat ass. I ordered 1.5 and got nervous about going that deep because there isn’t a lot of meat there . So I wanted to know if guys use the 1inch in there glutes
Your glutes have a hell of a lot more meat on them compared to your delts so 1.5" is nothing. Deeper is better but I just find a little more resistance when pushing oil through 25g 1.5" needle compared to 1" which results in less wobbling of the needle and less muscle trauma/pip for me.
I’ve seen a 25g pop off the luer lock when prepping oil one time. Never will I use it for something no water based lol.
It is not too bad with MCT as the carrier. Flows out pretty good especially if warmed up
Some of the pharma in castor, no way.
It was pharma so that makes sense. It was for my dad… his eyeballs about popped out of his head.
Yes all my gear is in MCT oil I warm it up and never have an issue it’s smooth
So 1 inch is fine for glutes it is common size to use ?
Just FYI, I just did a 1” to the glute and I’m a bigger guy. I would normally go quad with a 1”. Anyways, there’s no lump so I believe everything went into the muscle… unless what I have is simply that buttery lol
Depends how fat your ass is. If you have a respectable BF% 1" is fine. I do it all the time. If you are a fat ass I for sure would go 1.5".
So, this is a tad controversial, but I sometimes use a 1/2” backloaded slin pin in my glutes, but that being said - longer is better. 1” is plenty long, but if you’re injecting a large quantity; like over 1 1/2 cc, I’d use a
1 1/2 “ needle.