Trying to plan/budget my first cycle. Is my math mathing?
This maybe common sense but I want to make sure I completely understand as I'm brand new to measuring and injecting stuff. Let's say I'm thinking of doing a 200mg / week cycle of Test Cyp for 10 weeks. If I understand correctly, Test Cyp only needs an injection once a week due to it's half-life which is why I'm considering it(would like to limit amount of times i have to pin, especially on first cycle).
Looking at the list of rated sources I see I can get a vial of 10ml of 200mg/ml Test Cyp for $74. So if I understand correctly, I'd inject 1 mL a week, that would mean that one vial would be enough Test to get me completely through the 10 week cycle assuming I don't waste it somehow. Should I get a second bottle just to be sure?
Does this logic hold true for greater concentrations? The example I picked is actually out of stock, but could I theoretically get a 10mL vial of 400mg/mL and inject half a mL to get the same 200mg dose? Would there be pros or cons? Actually, as I'm looking I don't see any Cyp doses higher than 250mg/mL, so maybe that's not an option. But assuming maybe I want to do 200mg of Test Enth instead, could I do 0.5 mL of Test Enth 400mg/mL for the same effect, then I'd get essentially 20 doses out of 10mL for less price and would have extra if I spill, misfire, etc.
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trash300If u have to plan the budget for your cycle I think you're eating definitely not 100% correct, eating is the way for success. Its just my opinion but before u run a pocket money cycle start eating like a pro!
If you are starting AAS the kiss your budget goodbye. If you have a wife or girlfriend she is going to get on you for all the money you spend on food and protein, then 100 packs of syringes and alcohol pads and oh yeah... That steroids itself or the PCT. Only benefit of cheap gear promos is more money to spend on the other stuff.
I'm all for low cycles but I think 200mg a week is a bit too low. Bump it up to 300mg is this is a first cycle. (1.5ml)
You don't want to run 400mg/ml on a first cycle, it'll be painful. Stick with the basics and get yourself 2 vials of test c or e, an ai like adex, your PCT stuff. Pin it 2x a week for good measure, .75mml per pin will give you 150mg each inj x2 = 300mg. This is going to be a modest cycle but you will 100% feel it and learn to understand how test works with your body.
AK80Cypionate lasts a couple days longer than Enanthate, so don't worry about that. What you should do though is inject twice per week (Tuesday & Thursday) and you can use a 30g slin pin pretty much anywhere you want on your body. I like to rotate between quad, shoulder, stomach and glute. If you don't have any PIP, redness or swollen areas, you can hit the same spots, but your receptors might start to burn out (rumor?) 200mg per week x 10 weeks = 2 bottles/vials if those are 10ml/cc If you're only doing that much and you're doing it twice per week to keep your blood levels stable, you shouldn't need an AI. However, it's smart to have 12.5mg (the usual size for 1 pill) on hand for every week, so that's 10 pills. I don't get into the whole PCT thing because I'm on all year round; will leave that advice to the guys below.
ok im confused now lol. 2 bottles?? wouldnt one do 10 weeks at 200mg a week like he wants to do?
Yeah his math is wrong. 200mg/ml x 10ml is 2,000mg or 2g per bottle. A single 10ml would last 10 weeks of 200mg pw. 2 bottles would be 20ml of 200mg/ml so 20 x 200 =4,000mg or 4g.
Regarding “burn out” that’s a misconception and myth imo and from studies I have seen. Dopamine receptors- sure… “hormone receptors” are just proteins within your cells though. Hormone binds and a chain reaction begins. Now “over saturation” can be a real possibility and conversion 1000% is. When there’s too much they don’t “burn out”, but your body produces other proteins short term that convert that hormone into something else. I.S. Testosterone -> Estrogen.
In short- no, androgen receptors don’t “burn out”.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12670837/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32776828/
I know it’s a newer trend with people trying stuff but all these short slin pins for oil injects is not the way to go especially if high dose or volume. Way less blood flow than deep IM which results in slower absorption. Even at a super low BF % a 1/2” is going to be super shallow IM or SubQ. Shallow IM risks SubQ leakage, and pinning oils SubQ in general has a much more increased risk of welts, sterile abscesses, pain, redness, slowed absorption, etc. if it works for ya with 0 issues/identical levels and you’re fine with the risks then more power to you!
I personally only use 1/2” or 5/8” with peptides, or rare cases of under 0.5ml split in biceps or similar with something like TNE or other stuff micro dosed.
For glutes and sometimes quads I use a 25g or 27g 1 1/2” needle, for almost everywhere else and occasionally quads I use 25g/27g 1”. I always aspirate even though is not standard practice anymore as we do so many injects and I’ve hit them accidentally injected some vein before and the outcome was NOT fun. I haven’t had any issues with lumps, redness, absorption, etc. using said method/materials above and Z-tracking I haven’t even had a site bleed in well over a year now.
I think a lot of the new smallest/shortest pin that can/will still inject oil has to do with guys being intimidated by needle size, but it’s really never painful… 90% mental. If you don’t like the pinch at all cough right as you dart the needle in. Always go straight and quick, but not hard/forceful. Hell back in the day we’d use whatever we could get. Mostly 18g-23g 1”-1 1/2” lol.
My math was assuming one injection of 200mg/mL per week, but if I go up to multiple injections which seems to be the consensus for a good idea then I'd need multiple bottles.
Always good to have extra no matter what! We are all saying splitting up even a 200mg/wk dose into 2 doses of 100mg at even points throughout the week will make for much better results and MUCH more stable blood levels. Don’t have to inject a full ml at a time and wait that long. Do 1/2 ml every 3.5 days. You’ll notice how much better you feel without the highs & lows.
I was talking about the comment above, not you buddy! He said ” 200mg per week x 10 weeks = 2 bottles/vials” when in reality a 10 week cycle of 200mg per week is 1 bottle of test @ 200mg/ml.
You do know you don’t have to inject a full ml each time, correct? Increased number of injections doesn’t have to mean increased amount of gear.
I second your take on needle length. I started out using 31g 1/2in slin pins because it was "easier", but eventually came to the same conclusion that they are really only useful for peptides. The only times I've ever had significant PIP were from using slin pins (and boldcyp, ow). Once I switched to a 27g 1in or 1.5in everything pinned so smooth. Especially if you are pushing several mls of oil at a time, deeper is just so much better.
Thats what she said!
anvilNo this isn't correct. This is one of the most expensive endeavors you will ever take part of. Never buy what exactly you need. 10 weeks isn't a period of time. Remember something, not counting the newbie gains you make, you will lose most of what you gain after you stop using the drugs. 4-5 weeks for cyp to build up in your system, so 5 weeks maybe of stable levels which at 1 pin per week will be up and down. Don't think of this as doing the least amount of anything, bottles of gear, pin frequency. Have a blood pressure cuff, blood work scheduled, a laundry list of supplements to keep you as healthy as possible, ancillaries all before you start. Shipping delays and storages are part of life here so I would have a 10 pack always in reserve. You should do some research on cyp and the reasons you choose it, half life, serum levels. I spend much more on blood work , and food then gear will ever cost me.
oh interesting the example starter cycle post uses a 10 week cycle as an example.
Your blood serum of the testosterone isn't even going to peak until around 4-6 weeks. Run it 14 at least and also I'm curious why only 200mg this is top end of TRT dose that will but you some where around 1300/1400ng/dl.
And also you have said nothing about PCT. You ARE going to suppress your natural testosterone while on gear. 1 cycle and it will come back. But there are things you need to know like how long to wait after your last injection to take Nolvadex or clomid, how much HCG (optional but optimal) to pin. 200mg is not only hardly a "cycle" but you're gonna come off this 200mg and in 2 weeks gonna wanna hop back on. Cause bye bye gains with no PCT
I was just talking to someone about this the other day. They were asking me if test is expensive. Test and most compounds are the cheapest part of this! Food, bloodwork, and supplements is where all the money goes. I prepare all my own food and keep things as basic as I can while still hitting all macros and micros, but even still it's a struggle to spend less than $200-$250 a week just for myself.
Spent 4k on a whole butchered cow just a few days back hahaha. Diet is by far the biggest expense in today’s world imo. Labs have gotten slightly better with private testing companies opening up, but still not “cheap”.
Agree with everything said you NEVER know what life with throw at you, these SRCs, or anyone involved within the chain from it getting made to getting in our hands. Always have a fallback.
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It's math but you should get 3 10ml vials and an Ai of some sort (Adex is my go to) and pin 2x a week and you don't have to pin 1ml everytime you draw up you can split it up then think about your pct nolva,clomid,hcg ya know the basics LISTEN TO YOUR BODY
Yeah, your math is mathing. I don’t play with the higher concentration stuff (400mg/ml), I keep it simple at 200mg/ml and inject 100mg twice a week M/TR (or whenever suits your schedule).
Yes, theoretically this means one vial will last ten weeks, but if you buy more than one you often times get deals. Unless you have some horrific experience, I’m sure you’ll want to keep going, so you might as well find a good deal and buy a few vials.
Do you have an AI handy? Do you have the supplies? Do you know where to pin?
Are you gonna run test then pct? Or are we talking blast and cruise? Also once a week is not recommended. You want your hormone levels as to be consistent with less peaks and valleys. Twice a week minimum. I prefer 3x/weekly. Your math is mathing but with questions like these it seems you need to do a lot more research or fuck with a trt clinic that will help you get dailed in. There is a wealth of information here. Utilize it.
Well that’s why I’m here, to learn. I’ve seen numerous example cycles using Cyponate. Are you saying even with Cyponate you should pin multiple times a week? Or are you saying I should switch to a different esther?
I’m planning on doing a cycle and PCT and probably only one or two cycles. Then reevaluate.
Also I was under the impression that a TRT clinic wouldn’t help me as my T levels don’t fall within the level recommended for TRT.