posted Tue, 03/12/2024 - 11:25
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Primo with high body fat
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A lot of people say it’s a waste to run primo with high body fat because you aren’t going to see the cosmetic benefits, but couldn’t a person with higher body fat still benefit from it during a cut if they use it to help maintain their strength and lean muscle tissue? I’m at 18.4% bf and considering running 250mg test, 800mg Primo, and 50mg Anavar daily. I don’t expect to reap all the cosmetic benefits, but I do hope to hold onto my size and strength while I shed some of this fat. Maybe even get a little stronger while I’m at it. Does this seem reasonable / practical?
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I was fat when I started running primo in my cut. I am much less fat now, and have recomped pretty well over the past ~100 days. Sure the cosmetic effects aren't going to be visible but that applies to anything when you’re a fatty, right? That said, primo was perfect for keeping my e2 in check while I titrated up my test dose. It brought down my high e2 symptoms within 48 hours once I added it to my cycle.
To answer your question, yes a person with your body fat can run primo as a secondary anabolic and it is a relatively mild compound that will help you to maintain your muscle mass in a cut. Every individual responds differently but the ratio you suggest will make most feel like a menopausal woman in a hurry. If you’re going to run primo for the first time then I would suggest that you start with a 2:1 ratio of test to primo so as not to wreck your estrogen. I’d also save the var until you’re four to six weeks out from your goal.
I’d be running a low ish dose of test alone. Say 250-300. Tons of cardio and learning how to eat right.
Get your BF% down a good 6% and then after the prescribed time off, run your primo.
I wouldn’t overcomplicate the cut with a compound that’s not going to be doing all that much at that bf%.
Drop the var as it will screw up your cardio. Back pumps are no joke on it. In fact I get back pump from primo which makes running difficult.
Low test, learn how to eat, then talk about the more exotic stuff to suck it all in and tie it all together.
It will definitely have its benefits, and so will the Var, but the Aesthetics will not shine at all at that body fat. You’ll start thinking both compounds are fake. I know this from experience, and the high volume frequent pinning really starts to suck when you’re not seeing the visual results you’re expecting.
What’s your cycle history?
What is your proposed cycle length?
And what is your specific goal to accomplish in that time frame?
Does my cycle history actually have any bearing on whether or not primo is still beneficial at a higher body fat percentage, or are you just trying to pass judgement on whether or not you think I’m experienced enough to run it? The question I asked should have an objective truth value independent of my personal experiences with other compounds right? Regardless, I’ve ran test only, test and anavar, test with anavar and deca, test with superdrol and npp and equipoise.
I was thinking about doing 16 weeks on test and primo.
My specific goal is to hang onto as much muscle and strength as possible while burning fat in a caloric deficit.
Your cycle history absolutely has a bearing. If you don’t have 8-10 pin sites and experience using them I wouldn’t usually recommend you use a compound that’s high oil volume and potentially high pip. Primo is amazing at any bodyfat level IMO but you need to be able to handle the oil volume and potentially pip depending on the individual.
Sounds like you’re up there in cycle experience so you should be able to handle the pin schedule fine.
16 weeks is a good run, you might want to push to 20 if everything is going well.
For that goal nothing beats primo. Keep protein high and frequent and get your cardio up. Clean eating 5-6 meals a day 250 grams of protein a day and you’ll be off to the races. I’d drop the var. really no need at your level of development and it’s just going to thrash your cholesterol.
Thanks man, I appreciate the input. Been shooting for 200 grams of protein daily, but I can drop carb intake a little to bump my protein up. Yeah, I’m a pin cushion at this point. With the aas and peptides there are days when I stick myself like 5x. Im really good about staying consistent with pinning. I’ll definitely consider extending it out to 20 weeks. I’m not against a longer run as I’d really like to drop this body fat quite a bit.
You could get away with both a lower primo and anavar dose. 3-400 primo and 20-30 var split 2x a day. Personally, id drop the var entirely since it’s not worth the kidney strain at your current bf. Your stats say 200# and 18.4% body fat? So to get to 10% bf you’ll need to drop ~17lbs of body fat (over 10-12 weeks if you stay strict with cardio and diet) You can preserve a shit ton of muscle, even more so when below your genetic limit, on test alone. I cut on ~140-150mg/wk of test and my current cut I added HGH on top of 150mg/wk test. The fat is melting off. As you get leaner and leaner (and subsequently lighter), you will have adjust calories and increase cardio. Fat loss is not linear. You definitely get diminishing returns as you get leaner, especially if you’re trying to get leaner than your genetics like to be at for homeostasis. Body will hold on to those last bits of fat for dear life.
If cost is no issue, then I’d drop the primo/var and run test (keep at your 250) and add 4-6IU of HGH.
To answer your last point…You absolutely will get stronger even in a caloric deficit running var. However, strength will go away once you drop the var.
If you got any other questions or thoughts, let em rip. We’re here to help, so you can obtain your goals safely and healthy.
Spot on
Thanks a lot man. That was a quality ass response and I appreciate the input. What are your thoughts on clen?
No, don’t rely on substances to lose BF% you can lose 5% in about 3 or 4 months right around summer time.
Clen works but it makes you feel really shitty. And it’s bad on your heart. I wouldn’t really recommend it until your down to the last few pounds toward your goal and just can’t get there. But your diet should be doing most of the heavy lifting and not the drugs, except hgh lol that’s fine to use for some help with the fat loss. Also clen shouldn’t be used long term. I think it’s recommend in like two to four week cycles and if you do use it I recommend you start very low cus almost everyone gets headaches at like 20-40mcg so I’d start at like ten and then your tolerance raises fairly quickly.
Can’t offer any thoughts, as I have never used it. I’ve never needed extra ancillaries to boost my fat loss. Maybe I could shave 1-2 weeks off my cuts using it? But not worth the potential sides for me. I just keep grinding away until I’ve reached my goal, no matter how much it sucks. Fat loss, in my mind, is 50% mental, 40% diet, 10% training. Training is always easy to me, because I love it. Hardest part is staying resolute to the diet while hungry. Close second is making sure you constantly prepare healthy foods to meet your macro goals.
Excellent advice
I would skip on both the Anavar. There are ways to speed up metabolism through carb cycling, intermittent fasting, hypertrophy and interval sprints. You’re not that far away from being able to use it and why not save it for when you can really utilize the benefits with primo and Var at a lower BF. If you only use test, you will be able to maintain muscle mass while cutting. Even still, I would try to drop to 180 then use those compounds to get your weight back up while keeping low body fat. Check out makwas forums at why cycling at a higher bf is a waste. With primo, it’s also a waste of money.
I've only run primo once and I never finished the cycle. Went 8 weeks. So I stopped before "the magic starts" or whatever. I will say... a reason that I'll continue to use it and hopefully run a full high dose bulking cycle again in the near future... it definitely was fantastic at retaining muscle in a catabolic state. There were two periods of about 5 days where I went on binges, relapsed on drugs, barely at, wasn't lifting or sleeping. I've done this in the past and it sets my progress back weeks. Substantial loss of muscle mass. Strangely enough, and I wasn't expecting this... I lost a lot of fat during these fasts (binges) but it seemed as if I retained all my muscle mass. For this reason, if I ever try a serious cut, primo will be my first choice. I was running 600mg a week at the time of these binges. I have nothing to base this opinion on but I believe that considering how well I held onto muscle at 600mg a week, and all factors involved, 300-400mg a week would probably have a noticeable effect.
It was amazing how well it worked. I should have melted in that state but I was able to retain what seemed to be all of my muscle.
Ya if I get sick or have eating issues or travel or anything where I take 4-10 days off I lose what seems like months of progress. I think because I have a very fast metabolism and I haven’t had this muscle mass for years and years so it’s not like totally solidified, if that makes sense.like I have to constantly eat over 4,000 calories to gain and if I’m under 3000 I could be losing, shit sucks especially when you don’t have the appetite to eat like that
Yeah I'm with ya... although I'd rather have our problem VS someone who's gotta starve themselves to lose weight. Once I stretch my stomach out, I'm hungry every 2 hours. My problem becomes not having enough delicious food prepared/available. It's better than not being able to eat a cookie in fear of fuckin my diet. I'm in an everlasting bulk.
Ya once my stomach stretches it definitely changes things, but lately it seems like I still can only eat a small amount of food in one sitting and then can eat again in an hour, but before as it stretched I could eat more in each sitting. Idk what changed but I’m sure it has something to do with my digestion trouble
I wish I had a fast metabolism. I’m over here starving at 2,200 calories a day and doing a half hour on the elliptical just to lose a pound a week.
Thanks man. I appreciate you sharing your experience.
I think thats an awfully expensive choice just to preserve lean gains and strength.
In some ways yes, but what is your health worth? I got off a 34 week cycle of basically high primo low test and went and got my blood work done and it was almost perfect. Better blood markers than your average natty guy.
So while you do pay more cash up front, I firmly believe that longer term health damage is substantially lower with primobolan vs other anabolics.
Well thats fine.... But at the body fat percentage, why waste money on an expensive compound that has cosmetic enhancing effects? Test will help stop atrophy by itself. Maybe just throw in some anavar, which is also mild on health... Less compounds in my mind does equal healthier option.
True test would work.
I’d be a little concerned about estrogen with BF that high, non aromatizing compounds could help there with a low test base.
Anavar I wouldn’t use because of its impact on lipids.
I won’t argue with you about cost haha. If you have a better suggestion I always appreciate someone sharing knowledge. Even though these compounds are costly I like that they’re relatively mild and will allow me to get more anabolism while decreasing my Test dosage and calorie intake.
Yeah I think you could get away with 3 or 400mg of primo honestly to preserve muscle tissue. Could save some money there.
Im of the opinion the anavar and test will be enough to help you hold on to gains and strength during a cut. Pretty much all of these compounds were used to stave off muscle wasting. If your gonna spend the money on something as expensive as primo... Im just saying that Id want to get every last benefit out of it for how much Id be paying.