posted Sun, 04/28/2024 - 17:11
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Will run the test and primo for 16 weeks adding in var towards the end.
First time running these Compounds as I have only ever run test only cycles and Test with sarms.
Looking for feedback from guys that have ran these independently on what is the the first effects they start to feel?Also how long until they started feeling the positive effects? Kind of how you know everything is starting to kick in. (Mentally and physically)
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So true man. I've fucked around before and found out quick. Mostly physical injuries. Thanks for your input on the thread homie
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No telling. The anti estrogenic effects of primo vary drastically by individual. Some need to run it 1:1 others can run it 2:1 (primo:test) like you’re suggesting. Only way to find out is start pinning day 1 at the 600:300 dose, check E2 at week 6, and see where it puts you. If you don’t want to increase test, you could always pin a little HCG each week to help increase your estrogen if it gets lower than you’d like.
Goodluck.
?? Why did you even comment?
Well I laughed to myself when i heard 400 primo. Goodluck is a comment. Guys have told me around here to keep some comments to myself. So im practicing such.. so i hope it works out great for ya.
There ya go throwing rocks!
No I understand you commented. The question was why? I was asking for anecdotal feedback from more experienced forum users. I see one comment and think ok cool probably has some good experience to share but instead says Goodluck. Next time just don't comment at all?
Because according to some, you’ll only have success with Primo unless you run it at a gram. Knowing Wanted probably prefers masteron over primo. Am I right @wanted ?
We've spoken on this silly primo gram thing before lol. They insist huh? Primo has been known to be underdosed or faked for many years.
Lol not true and regardless what they say I'll keep saying that. So basically to say we all need a gram of same hormone is like saying we are all the same which isn't true. Most guys back in the day DID NOT use grams of primo...that didn't happen. Especially being pharmaceutical primo. @wanted
@simonmagus84 Simon I will always stand on that as you know because it's true lol
You know my doses with primo. You know where I stand with this topic which is aligned with your thinking. You’re a little older than me so you’ve seen it more but the hardcore guys who had the genetics did 200/300 mgs max and never abused anything. They did run very long periods of time though and always recovered.
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I 100% agree. I remember your stance on primo for sure. Now let me just say this....you and I don't have the best genetics like those old school guys but our bodies tend to not need those supposedly "big" primo doses like some say everyone would need. Not that we're special or unique or anything but just how it is with our particular bodies. And I'm sure this would apply to others as well. Now some may need more. Not sure if hyper responder is the correct word because honestly I really don't even know the real meaning of that word.
Yeah that pretty much sums it up. But i do think smaller in shape guys may may br good at 600 aslong as diet is spot on. But in all honesty whose diet is always spot on. Im close. But thats why i like to use FORGIVING steroids. That can make up for the 95% great diet
It’s fucking hard. That’s why I miss when I was single with no kids. I can only go clean for a few months at a time because this is challenging as a family man and husband. Maybe once the kids are older.
You’re not lying about this brother. Raising and feeding a family is a tall task, even being conservative with spending on every day living expenses. Our grocery bill is by far our biggest monthly expense. We make decent money but far from living comfortably.
I’m right there with you brother.
Fuck yeah ballsack you got my word on that
Well man. I'm not trying to be a asshole...you seem to have experience on the forums and you look fucking yoked in your pictures. Any feedback you're willing to give would be appreciated....other then good luck lol
Thanks man. I will give you one life lesson ive learned. You say your going to start at 4 and depending on results possibly jump to 6.
My mind has to be in it 100% Diet and juice
That means running the 400 your mind will never be settled. Every week will be like should i add more. Do i see the slow effects of primo. IS IT REAL . Just mind screws some of us And we need a sound mind , equals sleep & less stress affect cycles
You have 600 on your mind start at 600 then you dont have to second guess yourself everyweek one less thing to worry about
And you can focus on diet and lifting and cardio.i dont want No looking back saying man i should of ran it justt 200 mg more. You will look around and see guys who ran it at 400. They say oh great but you see pictures and be like i told ya so to run it at 6.
But definitely go by guys pictures that tells the story and if guys have an opinion they can post up there great success of 400mg they should have no problem posting a before and after cycle pic. We know they have them
Thanks for the detailed response man. I guess you kind of nailed what's in the back of my mind now. I'm pretty sure I sourced the gear I got from a solid source. But still you hear about primo and var being faked more than anything else so that kind of lingers in the back of my head. I've been getting the same feedback from others that have ran primo so I've still been tweaking exactly what my protocol will look like. Thanks
You’ll be fine. Just train as hard as you can and really dial down your diet. I can’t wait to hear your experience. You’ll love that there are virtually no sides to speak of other than monitoring your estro. I’m excited to run this next cycle as well.
Same man. Fucking will be a learning experience for me but plan have a lot of fun.
Your welcome
The primo will kick in 3 weeks for me, anavar is going fastly because it is oral.
For primo check your E2, you need use test on your cycle for best results.
Right on. What are the first effects you start to feel.when the primo hits?
More fullness on rest day, more appetite and smaller increase a Little vascularity for me
Do you have any before and after pic of the primo run and what doasge
No sorry and photo can be bad for see. Quality and luminosity change everything. But for me primo is the best coumpound for growth and cut with quality
Imo, the most important aspect of that stack to consider is what effect primo is going to have on your E2. That is something I suggest you determine through bloodwork. Then you can adjust your test to primo ratio according to the results, your goals and personal preference. 1:1 is a good place start.
Right on. What are the first effects you start to feel.when the primo hits?
anvilYou cannot feel primo at all , you will know by how you look. Primo is the long game 16 weeks will be good 20 better as long as health is good. I basically run test primo var same as you except I use 10-20mg of primo because at 30 biomarkers move for me.
AK80You probably won't ever feel anything from the primo. You will only see some slow results after a couple of months. It's a slow steady muscle builder that will keep excess water/bloat/estrogen off/out of you and that's it. You should run the var every day you go to the gym for the whole 16 weeks and simply not take it when you don't go to the gym. You can run it longer this way and not mess up kidneys/liver and still get the vascularity/strength benefits.
So what you’re saying is if he works out 6 days per week he can safely take Anavar for 16 weeks? I know it’s mild compared to some other orals but it seems like that’s a long duration and can definitely have negative effects/stress on the liver and kidneys assuming he’ll prob be dosing at 50mg per day. Isn’t it known to have negative effects on lipid panel also?
Longest I ever went with Anavar was 10 weeks at 30 mgs a day. My blood work wasn’t as bad as when I did 50mgs at 6 weeks.
Vigorous Steve I believe outlines a protocol where he says he you can safetly run it for an extended period. I forget how long but longer than anyone I trust has ever recommended. But there was a hefty amount of ancillaries and cycle support there. If anyone is interested I can try and find it
5mg, split dose, 2.5mg X 2…. for six months is where he says that the compound really shines
I took 5mgs one time cus it was my last pill and I felt great. Idk if everything else was just working together great or what but I liked it
Yeah, I mean I never heard him say why it shines at 5mg x 6 months, but I can see it.
Well i think it was prescribed at 2.5mgs . So he’s probably thinking if it’s good enough for the manufacturers than it should be good enough for us idk? Also that means a lot of the study’s done on it are probably going to be similar to the prescribed doses which I’m assuming are 2.5 and 5 since it came in 2.5 mg pills, and I don’t see them having guys take 10 or 20 pills in a reputable study
Just looking real quick, they gave burn victims (children) .1mg per kilo twice per day for 12 months. I’m a 100k so that would be 20mg per day. So these kids would have gotten a lot less. So yeah, you’re right 2.5mg pills is right.
Wow that’s almost exactly his protocol lol, well not by weight but total dose twice a day for months.
I also found they made 10mg pills and I believe that was the largest they ever made legally. So seeing how he is big into the literature and medical documentation, I’d bet that’s how he came to those numbers
Idk if you remember but I mention that I was gonna start that protocol. I got 10mg var. I took 30mg today preworkout to make sure they’re legit. They definitely are. It’s just that they are so small. I haven’t tried to split one yet. Definitely what is not going down is quarters and that’s what I really want to do is 2.5mg x 2. Imo, what I see as the potential benefit to running that protocol is vars Therapeutic effect
You could crush it and split the powder, or crush a bunch of them and weigh out .025 on a scale? Just like a little jar of powder and scoop it out, weigh it and toss it under the tongue. But I wish I had more of them left, I bet there’s something good about that protocol, I took my last one, like I said, I took just the 5 and I felt great man, better than I felt off of 25-35, but I took like 7 mgs cialis and preworkout and 3ius gh and so idk what made me feel so good but something in that combo worked lol
Lmao, that’s too much! Crushing pills, razor blades and digital scales… I’d have flashbacks.
I think a cycle like that would be good for healing the body. I’m a firm believer in vars ability to do just that.
Had to bump that mark of the beast off of you
Hey I never said razor blades that one’s on you lol.
Do you mean Like cartilage and joints or something? And I didn’t even notice that number, thanks for that one!
Oh my bad, lol, I’ll crush em up with my prison ID.
Yeah, I’m not an expert on the compound but it was used to for burn patients for its ability to help you heal. I think it’s one of the better ones for collagen synthesis. I used it in conjunction with low dose Ostarine for my tendinitis. Idk which one did it but it went away completely and that was last summer. And I’m not placeboing that shit, I’m 44 and have had many bouts of tendinitis, horrible shit to deal with. One of those two things made it go away like magic and I’m leaning towards the var.
Yea that's why I asked below dude , that's WAY too long .8-10 weeks is all you need 50mg a day
Yea most weeks it is 6 days on. I'll most likely be keeping the var around 30mg but that protocol doesn't seem right from what I've read up on it