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Virgin muscle PIP getting worse after 3 days. 250 Test E. A little red but definitely painful (it's bearable so far). My questions... 1. Does PIP travel down? It seems the pain is spreading downward into mid glutes. 2. How long can I expect PIP to get worse? And 3: At what point would you decide that it's not just PIP and it may be infection, injection technique or depth. Used a 1" 23 gauge. Properly wiped area before and after with alcohol wipes and used gloves. Thanks!!

Joggybro's picture

sounds to me you'll be fine pip on a virgin site is to be expected,usually 3-5 days and any swelling would of subsided..
advice for future reference try pinning post bath or shower,and also massage the area well prior to injection,even better go train that bodypart will help dissperse the depot

red222's picture

make sure you are using good lab some will always cause PIP and others not so much

Tx68's picture

I agree. I have experienced PIP with a number of different lab’s test e, while I have also used a few with zero PIP. If test e is dosed high (300 or above in my experience) it will tend to cause PIP. A number of labs dose their products higher than the label indicates. I personally prefer test cyp these days because it rarely causes any PIP, and I haven’t noticed any difference as far as results go.

Gh0st's picture

Assuming you hit the outer upper quadrant correctly.
PIP for me personally can last up to 4 days and gets better after that.

I will warm the vial in a coffee cup or measuring cup with close to boiling water. Not to go more than halfway up the vial You want to make sure it doesn’t fall Over and stopper doesnt submerge. Let sit for 2-3 min to warm up.

Use smaller gauge needle 25g and go for 1.5in when pinning glutes. Deeper the better. Very important while injecting not to move the needle around too much. I use the guideline of 10 secs to push each mL depending on how thick or thin the oil is.

I also like to train the muscle group I’m pinning that day. For me helps disperse the oil a little more naturally without having to massage it.

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Cobra222's picture

Thanks for all the solid advice!! Pinned second time yesterday but with heat and slower and didn't massage. No pain today. Also, last week I rode a horse the following day. Probably a HUGE mistake as I noticed the pip went all over my ass cheek in the following days. But...... Learning a shit ton from everyone on this site. Definitely appreciated.

IrishMack's picture

Here's an easier method than injecting 100+ degree aas.
Put the vial on your body in a warm place for about 15 minutes. Body temp injection. Less of a shock to your muscle.

Gh0st's picture

Also a good idea! I’ve never had any issues with the above as I’m sure it cools down in the few minutes I have in between. But maybe I’ll try that. Or heating pad on low I’ve heard that works well too

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IrishMack's picture

After you swab the vial and fill, I usually hold the barell in my hand for an extra minute or two. It pretty much almost eliminated pip.

Gh0st's picture

Nice, thanks for the input brother

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Cobra222's picture

It goes away with work. Just did 3.5 miles with 60lbs on my back and its down to a pesky ache. it's not debilitating like some posts I see. And that's two people that shut my massage idea down. Lol. Friggin bright ideas.

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