Libido and erections have not improved much two months post cycle
I recently fully came off a 20 week 500 mg test e blast. I have PCT'd and it's almost been two months since I've came off. However, my libido and erections are pretty weak and have not improved much. I have seen some minor improvement in libido, but erections have mostly stayed the same. I need to resolve this ASAP because of my girlfriend. Blood work shows that all my values are in range as well. Due to this, I'm thinking of starting TRT. Yeah, I know I'll have to blast and cruise if I do that, which I'm completely okay with. My libido and erections were perfect on 500 mg per week, no ancillaries needed (no AI or anything like that). Blood work was also good during the blast. Estrogen was high but I was not having any high estrogenic symptoms. Does this mean that if I cruise at 200 mg, it's likely that my libido and erections will be fine since that all was fine during the entirety of my 500 mg blast? Is it likely my libido/erections be similar on 200 mg compared to when I was on 500 mg? Any insight is greatly appreciated!
Blood work results if anybody is curious: Total T: 433 ng/dL, Albumin: 4.6 g/dL, SHBG: 15 nmol/L, Free T: 100.1 pg/mL, Bioavailable T: 210.1 ng/dL, FSH: 1.9 mIU/mL, LH: 1.6 mIU/mL, Prolactin: 4.6 ng/mL, Estradiol: 24 pg/mL
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musclehead2Hey man, 50 lbs on your bench is huge! I’m just starting to feel that mental shift you’re talking about, totally agree the mindset’s key, makes me want to lock in on every rep like you lol
ironlifter25It's great you're being proactive about your health and have recent labs. While your Total T is in the normal range at 433 ng/dL, your low-normal LH and FSH suggest that the hypothalamic pituitary gonadal (HPG) axis is still sluggish. This dampened signaling post cycle can take extra time to fully restore optimal function, even with decent Total T. Your Estradiol is well controlled at 24 pg/mL. Focus on maintaining robust health habits, quality sleep and nutrient timing are crucial for HPG axis recovery. Continued progress is possible; be patient as your internal signaling normalizes.
LiftedGhostBro, totally makes sense what you’re feeling — coming off a 20-week blast can really throw your system off for a while even if your bloodwork looks fine. Libido and erection recovery usually lag behind because your body’s still re-adjusting to natural hormone signaling.
TRT at 200 mg might bring you close to that “sweet spot” you felt on the blast, but just keep in mind — 500 mg was supraphysiological, so you won’t feel exactly the same on a cruise. Still, if your levels and libido normalize on 200 mg, that’s a solid balance between health and performance.
Also, before locking into TRT permanently, maybe give it a little more time or run another round of labs in a few weeks — sometimes natural recovery just needs a bit more patience. But yeah, if quality of life (and relationship) is being affected, TRT could definitely stabilize things for you.
I’ve been having similar issues. All the parts work, morning wood you could break down a door with…
As a few stated already…I’m realizing it’s the mind, not the body that needs to be addressed.
Are you also taking minerals and vitamins to keep yourself healthy, remember it’s process where every aspect matters. I’m not trying to say that this is going to solve the problem but it helps a lot.
Your cycle (500mg Test E) is not that far off of my cruise dose between blasts just as an example. If you wanna do this thing for real you gotta commit. You Bulk, check bloodwork, Cut, check bloodwork, run a short recovery phase(TRT) to get bloodwork back in range, check bloodwork, then repeat. There is no PCT or coming off. It's a lifestyle and a commitment. You gotta be a little crazy to want this. If it was that easy everybody would be jacked. The more muscle you build over the years, the higher the Maintenance(trt) dose you'll need to maintain that muscle. That's just how it works.
Your Testosterone levels may be in range, but they are low mate. Basically you didn't PCT properly by the looks of things lower down - You should of also used some HCG alongside the Clomid and Nolvadex at something like 500iu's EOD for 20 days. 2 Vials of HCG using this protocol would have been very beneficial. Run some HCG now and you should see things improve, or look into TRT like you are wanting to do - but remember once you go down that road you are most likely looking at injecting for life once a week. All depends on how committed to training you are and if this is something you are going to be doing for the rest of your life, or its just a passing hobby like it seems to be with most kids currently.
anvilBrother you need to figure all this out. PCT off gear is a waste of time. You can't just run high estrogen because you don't have symptoms. You need to be balanced. You were prolly at 3500 T levels and now you are at 400, you will eventually come back online, but then what? You have lost all you're gains and you need to blast again. The only reason to come off is health related of for fertility. Otherwise stay on.
That's basically what i was trying to say in a nutshell. You do have a way with words that seems to escape me, so i sound like I'm all fucking over the place. Unless it's all this dam test flowing through my veins!!! Lol
Your 25??
By ed problems you mean you can't get it up at all or you loose it once your into it?
First cycle i did was 19yo i had the loss of erection or it would get weak for a good 6 months maybe longer. And tbh i don't think i ever recovered from that and had problems my whole life since doing the first cycle, if i wasn't on anything. And i just did test e but went higher on mg than you. And didn't pct.
Get some Proviron, cialis, viagra. Should help. I'm sure if you did 200mg week you'll be fine.
I almost think it's not so much as going back to what you were before libido election wise, as because it was so heightened on cycle that how it was before isn't good enough anymore cuz you want that raging animal libido back. Lol
Yea I bet there’s some psychological issues coming off cycle that won’t/can’t show up in bloodwork. It’s like coming down from a high. Libido and erections aren’t just a couple hormones. There’s mental aspects to that too.
Exactly .. Def more to it
AnavarmaxxingED problems as in it's difficult for me to get it up, and when I am able to get it up, it goes down very quickly after. It practically deflates like a balloon. I'll be rock hard for 5 seconds, and then all of a sudden, in 2-3 seconds, it goes prune soft. I've tried 20 mg Cialis, doesn't help much. I've heard of Proviron, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea since I'm pretty sure it's suppressive? Would thatt be a good idea given that I'm trying to restart my natural production of hormones?
Sound like you may have some psychological issues going on as well. I'm just a random guy on the Internet, and I don't know shit, but I've been in that spot before where you have some erection problems, and it's pretty easy to get in your own head about it, and it snowballs. Not saying the rest of these guys are wrong, you definitely ran some high test, and these guys all know their shit. Just something to consider. Maybe before you jump on some more gear.
They say Proviron isn't surpressive at 50mg daily or less.. and actually it's in some pct protocol.
Sounds like you have going on the same thing i had years ago. It Def sucks.
Time fixed it. If i knew then what i know now, i would have got some Proviron. For the quick fix.
Did you taper down or just stop at 500mg week? It is best to taper off.
Bro you want my 2 cents for what they're worth. Do you want kids? If that's not big on your agenda and your going to keep juicing just cruise why put yourself through the ups and downs of pct-ing?
And i got my girl pregnant last summer while on cycle and know 2 other side who have and they both cruise they thought they couldn't get they're girl pregnant.
I'm sure 25mg Proviron won't shut you down and you'll be able to recover fine. If your not already. On paper at least.
AnavarmaxxingI did not taper off, I just stopped at 500 mg. My girl wants kids, I don't mind whether or not I have kids though. I already talked to her and she said she's more than okay with adopting if I were to be infertile. So I guess that's nice. I'll try out 25 mg Proviron daily and see how that works out for me. If anything, I will most likely just end up doing blast and cruise. I appreciate the advice man.
Here’s the thing that you don’t know yet man, and I didn’t realize either when I was your age. Neither did any of my friends. I met my wife when I was just a little younger than you. Women get with a guy and expect he will change overtime. We typically don’t. We’re pretty simple creatures. When we get with our girl we think this is basically how she will be forever. And it’s not the case. Women change a lot as they get older. It’s rarely a good change lol. We don’t understand the radical changes that can occur and make them a completely different person. While we’re still the same.
So she may think she’s cool with adopting now. If she’s around the same age as you few if any of her friends are having kids yet. But once you guys get closer to 30 and everyone starts having babies and the pics are flooding her social media, she can’t relate to the conversations her friends are having about being pregnant, no cute maternity pictures for her. She can’t make any dumb social media posts about her pregnancy etc. she will no longer be cool with adopting and will want her own baby. If you can’t give her one she’s leaving your ass.
Realest shit I’ve seen on this site or pretty much anywhere. True words of wisdom.
Truth
Some Very wise words there mate - and by God, they do change.
They sure do. I Didn’t see that shit coming!
Years back now, I had a couple of ex's that I started dating in their very late teens for a few years then had run ins with them years later around 26/27 and the change in both of them was unbelievable - both had literally morphed into their mothers and that was NOT a good thing. Gone were those happy go lucky, fun loving, funny girls, now they both morphed into these serious, soul sucking, bitter women that were just no fun to be around one little bit. I'd be sat there thinking what on earth has happened to you??? I would of rather spent the night with Dr. Death.
So many 25 year olds ready to make the life long commitment of TRT lol. So dumb. 20 week cycles will shut you down hard. Next time stick to 12 or 14.
When did you pull your blood work? Was it while on PCT drugs? If not how long after? What was your PcT protocol?
AnavarmaxxingI pulled my bloodwork while on PCT, yes. I had my blood drawn on the fifth week into the PCT. My PCT protocol was 6 weeks of Clomid 25 mg daily, starting two weeks after last injection.
You need to pull new bloods bro , your numbers aren’t legit . Do bloods asap and go from there . I also recommend the taper down method , I’ve done both ways and feel much better tapering down , but I’m also older now and on trt .
That’s your problem, your levels were artificially high from the PCT drugs. Now your test levels have crashed. Retest again now. Bloods should always be pulled 4-6 after you finish PCT. Levels while on it are irrelevant.
Next, you’re 8 weeks off now, and 2 weeks off PCT. Symptoms of low T are very very common the first few weeks after PCT as your body is now producing on its own without clomid, and it’s struggling. Report back in another 4 weeks. Nobody feels normal 2 weeks after PCT.
And lastly, your PCT was wholly inadequate. Where did you read that 25mg of just clomid was sufficient for PCT?. Does was too low. 100mg a day starting off, then down to 50 for rest. Then 40mg of Nolva followed by 20. For 4-6 weeks.
So that puts you in a pickle. You could try a real pct. 100/100/50/50 clomid and 40/40/20/20 Nolva. Or you can wait it out. You’ll get back to normal eventually.
Think beyond being able to fuck your girlfriend who you may or may not marry. And think into your 30s when you may not even be working out anymore or not seriously. And you want kids but you can’t. Or you don’t want it stick a needle in your ass twice a week anymore, and for another 50 years.
Get some cilias for now. 5-10mg a day so you can please your girl while your system gets back up and runnng.
No. 25 and want trt. No. Youre trolling for moopie. Research horney goat weed.
On cycle #Estrogen was high
You erred then.
Seems like we’re recommending everyone stay on now after their first cycle with no PCT, regardless of age, with no clue how long they’ve been training, how serious they are, what their goals are, how long they plan on cycling for etc. just start blasting and cruising for life.,
Most people fizzle out, we should not be telling them to stay on after their first cycle or even first few cycles, with few exceptions.
@irongame427 that true. Unskilled pleebs watching utube videos. This guys fake trolling though. Retread style
AnavarmaxxingBased on the research I did, I was told to not treat for high estrogen unless I was having high estrogen symptoms. I had no high estrogen symptoms. The logic was that estrogen is cardioprotective, neuroprotective, anabolic, etc, so to keep it as high as possible without high estrogen symptoms. Was this wrong?
Research? What research told you to do 20 weeks of test? This entire episode is stupid, but I’ll bite.
So you ran a 20 week “cycle”. What were you running prior? Generally the newb “blast” term gets used when something is ramped up. Seems like the entire story is missing to me.
AnavarmaxxingI was not running anything prior. This was my first cycle. I got the 20 week number from r/steroids on Reddit through their wiki.
If you have insurance, go see an endocrinologist. If you don’t, heed Press’s advice. I have been on hormones since high school, and not by choice. Don’t fuck your endocrine system due to this half assed decision.
I’m more on the fence of letting it heal over time than introducing more hormones, especially if this is the one and only cycle ever. It sucks, but decisions have consequences.
Just curious, did you get the gear on here?
AnavarmaxxingI do have insurance, but seeing an endo would take months. I've seen one before and wasn't able to get an appointment earlier than 6 months away. That was during quarantine though, so maybe things have improved since then. I'll see what I can do. Also yes, I did get the gear on here.
I doubt you are getting married and planning parenthood by the end of the year. That’s plenty of time to do your due diligence.
@Wildling hes trolling you hard...and winning.
I’m going to start responding in caps from now on
AnavarmaxxingI'm not trolling man