posted Mon, 01/12/2026 - 16:16
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Switching esters
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Hey guys, need some brotherly advice. 1st cycle ever here. Started with test prop for 3 weeks loved it felt "on" and libido was crazy high, strength gains were there already. just the PIP was so bad couldn't do a leg day for 2 weeks. was injecting daily. Switched to a different source and ester. test cyp its been 2 weeks since switching, felt the prop wear off and the cyp gain traction. I really loved the feeling prop gave me. Could i go back to prop from the same source i got my cyp from and be fine? or should i just ride out the cyp till its stable in my system then switch over? Don't mind pinning everyday either. Maybe i could mix my test prop with my cyp? keep same dosage just same needle/syringe? Thanks.
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A lot of the pip you're getting is from pinning virgin muscle. Part of the reason a short ester first run is a bad idea. You run out of areas to pin that aren't sore and unusable, thereby making shooting steroids a lost cause.
would be advisable to stick with a longer ester until you have more experience in the process of pinning and your muscles are more used to being pinned.
This intensity (libido was crazy high, strength gains were there) doesn't last forever, no matter what you do. Even if you switch back to prop , that exact same rocket-launch won't come back full force.
Your body adapts — After 4–8 weeks.
Whay felt groundbreaking at the start becomes your new baseline. My advice give the cyp more time.
Don't expect to be able to repeat that feeling in the future because it's your first cycle (we all remember the first one) plus you took a fast ester for your first cycle.
Thanks for the advice brother, i highly appreciate it.
I have never heard of anyone getting PIP from Test Prop!! It's literally my favorite Test because of how well it kicks in but it does need to be pinned every other day minimum.
So what is your goal or cycle for? Test P can be used to boost the levels at the beginning or end of another ester. You can literally switch back to just prop if you want but I have no idea what you are trying to achieve cycle wise.
I'm going for the "aesthetic" look. Tryna get beach ready. Don't really care for strength although I am always pushing myself regardless I'm just not looking to hit a certain "315 for 12" bench or anything. While that "on" mental feeling is there. i can pin everyday not an issue. in fact i feel like my body was better off on prop just the pip got to me.
First cycle and erred big time. Cyp is up in 4 weeks and kicking.
Yeah, i'm not the smartest fart smella. Was just feeling like shit from natural low test. needed something, source was out of testosterone cyp and enth, went with propionate. and the rest is what you read lol.
Ranger3252I always run test C or E while on prop. If you’re going to cruise why would you not use a long ester while pinning a short one. Test prop ED in glutes, vents and delts. 125 test c or E every three days. Stop pinning quads and make sure you’re pinning deep in the muscle. Don’t warm the oil in hot water, dumb advice from anyone who suggests it. You have virgin muscle so you will be sore, but it doesn’t last forever. When you’re done with the prop continue the C or E at whatever dose you want. On the days you pin C or E mix the prop.
Why do you say to not heat up the syringe under water? for me it drastically reduced pip
Ranger3252Degradation: High heat can break down the steroid ester or carrier oil, making the injection less potent over time. So you don’t heat it up for comfort, it will eventually become less effective. The studies are out there to back it up scientifically.
jitterbug128how hot are we talking here? isnt it brewed under relatively high temperatures? as long as ur not boiling it it shouldnt degrade right
I heat mine up. The pip is fuckin wild if I don't. If it degrades.... Then.... I guess I'll just pin more.
It's if you keep warming it up and cooling it down but if you are only warming up what you are using it will be fine. I have blood work to back that up.
Yeah i think im just gonna start pinning everyday and just mix my prop and cyp together in the same syringe. Loved the primal prop feeling lol. Maybe when my body gets used to it ill just switch back to prop all together. Don't mind pinning everyday.
Might as well go with Sust then. Get a little bit of short, middle, and long esters. That is what I use and prefer. Sometimes I add a little more Prop to it
jitterbug128pinning daily is going to be best with whichever ester you go to
jitterbug128You could do a few things, could try filtering the prop, try prop in a different oil, try mixing the cyp and prop, try adding extra sterile oil to the prop, try sustanon which is a premix containing prop. Just make sure to account for ester weight, which also couldve been contributing to the better "on" feeling on prop even at the exact same weekly mg dose, cause theres more testosterone in 1mg of prop vs 1mg of cyp. 83.9% vs 69.9% difference. Could also try other esters like phenylprop or enanthate
Thank you will keep this in mind. Sustanon does seem intruiging.
Ranger3252You need to pin sust daily as it has a prop along with the longest acting ester Deconate.. So, you’re pinning 30 mg testosterone propionate, 60 mg testosterone phenylpropionate, 60 mg testosterone isocaproate and 100 mg testosterone decanoate. Four (4) different types of testosterone. If you think prop has bite at your stage then Sust is just a dumb option. Not a viable alternative until you’re more seasoned. Stick with the C or E, you’re already two weeks in, give it one or two more weeks and you should feel its full potential. If you do not, it’s time for bloodwork to check hormones.
jitterbug128IMO sustanon is just a sum of its parts and no better than a single ester, i do think there is a place for prop and TNE though, prop on top of something like enanthate could mimic the diurnal rhythm a little better, and TNE as a preworkout
My favorite is when you got ppl jumping on sust bc they are under the assumption it can be injected like once a week lol..
I'd suggest Ed or at least eod.
I do mine EOD. Works for me so I stick with it.
https://www.eroids.com/forums/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/test-is-not-...
Do sum reading
jitterbug128having read through that, none of it disagrees with me lol
appreciate this!
Ranger3252He just googles stuff and posts shit from AI
jitterbug128seems like it, post isnt even related to what i said really
Yes, i was reading up on some research online about the diurnal/circadian rhythm and how our test is usually higher come morning time and what not. Interesting to look into the details of pharmacology and use it to leverage best cases in our hands.
jitterbug128yeah i currently just do my hcg in the morning and my test E at night, but at some point ill probably mix in some prop and start doing it in the morning