posted Thu, 11/02/2023 - 00:01
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First cycle questions
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I was wondering what's the optimal cycle length, is it like 12 weeks or 16 ? and about dosages, should you like start with 300mg of test E for the whole cycle or titrate it up by 100mg every 4weeks or just run 500mg from the start ?
I got Dbol but i want to see how i react to test only so not using it in my first cycle.
Got a question about training, should i like keep running my usual 4days split Upper/lower ? or change it ?
And about PCT, do you really need Nolva and Clomid or just one of those ?
P.S: Stats are 70kg/180cm/27yo, Prolly 10%bf
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Probably not the advice you want to hear, but at 5ft 11 and 154lbs I think you’re using steroids very prematurely. If you’re training hard and eating well, you’d be able to build a significantly better base to start from. In my experience, guys that jump on gear without building a decent base struggle to hold on to gains they make on cycle.
Same thing I was thinking.
Got it, my goal is just to reach a 80kg and maintain that, diet gonna be on point on cycle and after of course, is it doable or should i delay hopping on that stuff and work my way naturally ?
I’d honestly suggest you need to work on that before a cycle. Reality is you’re young enough to pile on muscle naturally for a while yet, you’re just not eating enough currently I’d pretty much guarantee. That’s something we as a community can help you with.
Just 10Kg should be easy given your current stats just by tweaking diet and workout program.
https://www.eroids.com/forums/general/general-talk/the-key-to-quality-ma...
https://www.eroids.com/forums/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/b...
Good info. They need to understand everything starts with the diet. That's the foundation.
There you go ^^^^^ Makwa has pointed you in the right direction. If you’re struggling, drop me a pm and I’ll help you sort out your diet directly.
Thank you guys for all this infos
Be safe and be smart
from what ive read Test-E is NOT a good one to start with.. right??
also, not sure if you have seen this or not..
https://www.eroids.com/forums/newbie-corner/beginners-cycles
Not true at all sir. Enanthate was origionally european type of testosterone and cypionate was USA medical grade trt used testosterone. Theyre interchangeable.
Lol you know ole rusty use to say SIR alot...sorry just brought back infamous memories to say the least, my bad. He'd also say synergy of compounds etc. And he would always say C and E are interchangeable. Interesting!
I couldn't find the article about that
Drop the D-Bol. Test one compound at a time
Hello! Black90tsi's advice is spot on when it comes to optimizing your testing strategy. Starting with 300 mg of Test E per week for a 12-week cycle is a wise choice. After your cycle, allowing about 18 days before beginning post-cycle therapy (PCT) is advisable. For PCT, consider a 4-week regimen, which includes taking 40 mg of Nolvadex (Nova) daily for the entire 4 weeks and starting with 100 mg of Clomid daily during the first 2 weeks, then reducing to 50 mg daily for the final 2 weeks.
Again, I'm not a doctor or your coach; this is simply what worked for me. I was fortunate not to experience estrogen-related side effects like acne, oily skin, or gyno (knock on wood). Some individuals may aromatize quickly and experience these side effects more severely. It's important to note that how your body responds is highly influenced by genetics.
As a general disclaimer, it's advisable to consider using these strategies if you're older, ideally at least 30, and have a solid foundation with lower body fat levels, in my opinion.
Thank you for all the advices
Training is something you really want to have down before you start. Nothing worse then taking a bunch of gear and doing BS training spinning tires while damaging your health.
+1 This comment is very TRUE and very IMPORTANT
Leave the dbol for after you figure out how you respond to just test. Start at 300 mg and go get bloodwork after 4 weeks. If you aren't experiencing any side effects and your blood markers all look good then you can consider a bump up to 400. Though if you're getting results you're happy with you don't need to go higher. Repeat that process in another month. If you find that there are issues popping up in that second round of bloods then you know you should cut the cycle at 12 weeks instead of 16. On the other hand if you don't have any unwanted side effects and your blood markers still look good you can consider extending the cycle out to 16 weeks.
I can't help you with pct as i'm on trt so i don't have to do that. But a simple search will bring up dozens, if not hundreds, of threads answering your exact question and then some.
No dbol, starting with 300mg and titrating it up every 4 weeks if needed i guess that's the plan, and for bloodwork is it like week 6 or 4 ? i've red somewhere should do one pre cycle, and 6 weeks mid cycle, and last one should be after 1month of PCT is it correct ?
Thanks in advance
If you're happy with the results you get with 300 there's no need to go higher this time around. I'm just pointing out that if you want to titrate up only do so after you've confirmed everything is going well beforehand. The idea of getting the most you can out of the smallest doses is very appealing to me. Most of the experienced guys here will tell you it's a marathon not a sprint. You can do all sorts of stuff and hopefully get huge in a year. But you're almost certainly going to do some damage to yourself in the process.
350/wk test puts me over 2300 ng/dl. That's more than double the top of the reference range. Until you run something and then get the tests to see what's going on you just don't know how your body can handle it. Maybe you're lucky enough to be a hyper responder and won't ever need to do huge weekly doses. Or maybe you happen to be a heavy aromatizer and even 300/wk will require you to use an AI to keep yourself from getting estrogenic side effects. Keep in mind when you get your bloodwork done you're going to need to get the ultra sensitive version of the total test levels. Otherwise they max out around 1200-1500 ng/dl so you won't know you're actual levels. Getting tests before hand is a good idea so you know your baseline. This will show you how much of an effect the drugs have when you get the follow up test. How many weeks you wait to get the test kinda depends on which PEDs you're running. The ester you choose has everything to do with how long it takes for the drug to be fully saturated in your system. Chances are you're going to be using either test c or e. They hit full saturation around the 1 month mark. It wouldn't hurt to wait until 6 weeks unless you notice some side effects beforehand and need the information sooner to try and mitigate them. It will probably take about a week from the time you get your blood drawn until you get your results. I use ultalabs.com to purchase my own blood tests but there are other online places that do it too.
Also you need to be sure you have an AI on hand in case it's needed. Aromisin or Armimidex are the 2 most commonly used. I can't answer about when to get the post pct tests since i never pct.
+1 "The idea of getting the most you can out of the smallest dose is very appealing to me"...that statement right there is what I constantly point out! Good stuff
There's not much of a point gaining tons of muscle and getting crazy shredded if you're going to cause long term health issues within a couple years. I'm not a body builder and never plan on setting foot on a stage. I just want to look and feel good for as long as I can.
Absolutely. Some could care less about how their health will be in the future as long as they make those gains today. It's a damn shame.
Thank you again