posted Sun, 11/26/2023 - 02:51
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First cycle
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Gonna order from pm rounds the following
Tri test 350 (it's e, p, c)
Anavar 50mg daily
Aromasin every 2 days for like 12.5mg
And as PCT 21 days of 50mg clomid
Going for strength and fat loss in this cycle, muscle gain is not the most important thing for me here.
My current meal plan is about 2100 kcal a day and about 300g protein, going to continue that have been doing 10-20k steps daily for last 4 months and already lost substantial amounts of weight now it's time to get the fine things done. Planning on taking the above for a 10 week cycle.
Any advice is appreciated I can also provide my terrible blood work which is the main reason for this cycle if your interested.
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Kid, you were given a chance. You were given sound advice. You're hell bent on self-destruction. eRoids isn't going to be part of that, good luck.
Your Stats say that you are 21 years old - Is this correct?
Fred423yes
Sorry buddy, I feel for you in your current situation but in all fairness you are too young to be taking steroids and also to have an account on here. I find it hard to believe a Dr would prescribe TRT to a 21 year old suffering from a variety of clinical issues if he is truly aware of your medical background. It reads to me like you are looking for excuses to start a steroid cycle - if it were just low Testosterone that you are concerned about then why are you listing that you also want to run 50mg Anavar tablets? Doesn't ring true to me a lot of this I'm afraid.
He sounds like an addict chasing a high.
Just another young guy spending too much time watching 'Steroid Influencers' on youtube, before I ever touched gear I found the whole thing quite frightening in terms of what they would do to me and how I might feel on them before I tried them - these guys just treat it like ordering a tub of protein powder nowadays days.
If you can get your estro under control, run test around 400-500 mg for 15 weeks and then a solid pct. Keep it simple, especially for your size and age. Diet will dictate everything. Also, strength and muscle gain are hand in hand. You might want to figure out the weight room tbh.
Fred423how am i supposed to get estrogen under control? and do you mean by figuring out the weight room im not training right?
He means that you should be 2 day on one day off at the gym, at a minimum. If you’re not ready to dedicate yourself to that standard, you’re pretty much wasting your time juicing. I know it’s not easy, life gets in the way, but this is when you need to ask you how bad you want this??? Would it be worth waking up at 4:30am to be at the gym by 5am? Two years ago I would have to ya to go fly a kite. These days, I love waking up that early to get my ass to the gym and get it over with. Nothing else for the rest of my day will be remotely challenging. Therefore, every aspect of my life has gotten better ever since. It sucked at first, but now I wake up at 4-4:30am without even wanting to. I only take Sundays off, and by the end of the day I feel like doing push ups because I feel like a slacker. Mind over matter, Bro. Ask yourself, “How bad do you want this???”
Fred423Been going at 5 for actually a month before I had a month break due to sickness, I've lost 50 pounds so far and gained a substantial amount of muscle I have a pretty weird split due to my weekly time management being scuffed so it's mostly everything stuffed into 5 days of work and then 2 days rest. Been pretty dedicated and made significant progress but my natural test is just so unbelievably low that I can't make good progress and am feeling always sluggish, top that of with mental illness and now I just feel like life is fucking me over
Was your blood test before you lost weight? Also, I saw the doctor spreader gave you test. Why don’t you just take that as prescribed. If he is monitoring your blood work, 1ml a week of that will do wonders.
Fred423After, a couple weeks old
He can't prescribe me test and even if he could he wouldnt do 500 e a week
I guess I'm confused. Why did the doctor give you test 250 to begin with? If your levels are that low, a TRT dose would be significant although not advised without supervision.
Fred423He told me it was to try it out and see how it goes, like it so I want more but 250 just didn't make the cut so I wanna go 400-500 a week
You need to run that for a a couple months to make that decision if its supposed to be TRT...
Fred423honsetly at this point i am considering just going for 15 weeks test e since i can afford it at the moment and im also contemplating anavar (yes ive been told to not do it) for the cardio aiding and metabolism aiding effect, what would be a perfect and strong pct that will get me back on track?
I think we are done here. You need to go to your doctor and if he thinks you should take TRT dose you should do so.
I’m assuming you are a fat 90kg since you haven’t posted any body photos, etc. Estro can be weight related… sometimes even diet. I’m 118kg and 2100 calories barely puts me in the deficit I need for weight loss. 300g of protein is approximately 1200 calories alone. Are you drinking protein shakes or solid food for nutrition? Someone mentioned it below, a doctor should be your first consultation before you start pumping test and orals into your body. None of us can stop you and if you do, stick to nothing but test.
Also yes, weight room habits need to be on point. Many of us have been not only lifting weights for a long time, but also significant weight. Gear is meant to break plateaus, not reach plateaus.
Fred423mostly solid food and yes i am overweight though my weight posted there wasnt correct, i weigh more, didnt really care AND YES GODDAMNIT I DONT LIKE THE FACT I WEIGH SO MUCH YOU DONT HAVE TO TELL ME THAT WAS THE REASON I PUT IN THE WRONG ONE, anyways i suffer from early stages of shizophrenia and am clinically depressed. Feel like im going more insane by the day and just wanna do some stuff before i probably kill myself, hence steroids, dont know if i wanna keep living with more and more voices coming daily.
Uuummm, yeah, I don't think running a cycle would be a good idea for you. Overweight, schizophrenia, clinically depressed. Not the the ideal situation for a cycle. Let's see where a wild swing in hormones would take you.
Fred423your probably right i just dont know what else to do anymore, thinking of just going trial and error and hoping i somehow survive but if i try stuff i might as well take advice from others on what
Take the advice from your doc in your situation
If this is true about the schizophrenia, and your auditory hallucinations are increasing on a daily basis, I’d strongly suggest you see a Dr before manipulating your hormones. See a Dr anyway. Soon.
You need a doctor, therapy and a fitness coach. Not steroids. Steroids will not help with your weight; it will probably increase your ALREADY HIGH AMOUNT OF ESTROGEN. Which, in turn, will make you more emotional and depressed than you currently are.
Your natural testosterone levels will naturally improve, and your estrogen drop with proper diet and exercise.
Fred423I'm too broke for those things.
Then you're too broke for steroids too.
You've got the internet, books, YouTube, blogs, eroids diet and training forums... Plenty of support and knowhow if you're open to being honest with your situation and willing to accept sound advice.
We’re a brotherhood here. Criticism behind a keyboard always sounds worse than it is. Don’t take anything personal on here. We want what’s best for you.
Fred423Thanks, i didn't take it personally just wanted to convey that I'm not trying to deny the fact I'm fat, currently down about 22kg but still some way to go. Im sorry I sound so goddamn edgy not trying to take my personal problems and push them onto others and fish for pity. Honestly I just wanna know what'll get me to where I want to be regardless of pain and consequences, I couldn't care less, I'd be nice though if it didn't break the bank so I'm going to drop the anavar but yeah that's it.
It’s all good! lol
Just see what the doctor can do first then reach back to this avenue. There are people more knowledgeable with the medical industry in Europe than myself. Over here insurance usually wont cover most things hormone related as they consider it cosmetic…. Unless you are transitioning which is wacky to me.
Fucking up your hormones more won’t help that. You need a doctor.
No to tri-test, no to anavar on the first cycle, no to taking aromasin without knowing if you need it.
Yes to 500mg test e/c.
Bloodwork halfway your cycle to see where your levels are at. In case you get high e2 symptoms, start using aromasin and do bloodwork, but don't go overboard with the aromasin.
Enjoy.
Fred423Thought anavar had low liver toxicity, also I uploaded my previous blood work below don't know if that's helpful but yk.
You have virgin receptors bro, 500mg of test will blow you up. Safe anavar for the 3rd cycle.
The first cycle is meant to see how your body reacties to testosterone only. If you start of with anavar and test and you get side effects, how are you gonna know which the culprit is?
Fred423thank you, any advice on the pct. I read something like you are supposed to go completly without anything for 2 weeks and then do 3 weeks of clomid at 50mg/day is that correct?
Yes 2 weeks after the last injection of test e/c you begin your PCT. Regarding clomid I never used it as PCT so can't help you with that. I've always blasted HCG in the last 2 weeks of my cycle then used nolvadex for 4 weeks.
3 weeks of clomid seems a bit short to me, but idk.
If weight loss is more important why not a more aggressive diet if your blood work is already bad getting on gear is only going to make it worst as for your choice of tri test that is a high mg concentration with prop in it you are going to be in pain at injection sites with that mix
Fred423I really don't care about pain I have tats and used to extinguish cigarettes on my thumb, my blood work just says I have the test of a 70 year old with erectile dysfunction (yes I have ed) and estrogen of a girl pre puberty. That's why I thought going on test for lean muscle growth in the process of weight loss would be good, will try to work out cutting down to 2000 kcal daily
Lmao this is a whole different kind of pain bud. Listen to people who have knowledge. Skip the tri test
Fred423Ok
Well said brother. +1
Lmao I've sat through a bunch of 8 hour tattoo sessions. They do not compare to pip in your glutes from a high mg or poorly brew injectable. Sitting on the toilet or sleeping on that side off the body is pure torture for days and sometimes over a week...
Lets not even talk about virgin muscle pip in the legs lol.
Man you're talking to someone who is known to be pip sensitive to a high degree. Those bad pip thigh days were horrendous lol. And if badly brewed then forget about it!..asking for trouble. What ever happened to the smooth 200mg injects lol.
Facts, for test I just stick to two brands I know are solid. I'm all in on subq injections so I can't risk using pippy gear.
That's gotta be the worst mistake ever...to pin pippy, sloppy brewed gear sub q, so I can understand you. Glad what you're doing is working for you.
Sub q is working well for you? Got any links I can do some researching or any advice on it would be helpful. I'm curious about it.
Yes, haven't done IM in years. I feel better (emotionally more stable) and look better. There's a bunch of research on it:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9006970/
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/102/7/2349/3098651
https://www.auajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1016/j.juro.2018.09.057
My advice:
The max amount to pin is 0,5cc at the time. No short esters ever, unless you want a huge painful knot in your belly. Other than that for cruising or trt eod injections work well. For a cycle daily injections. I've done Test-e 525mg and boldenone (low dose boldenone 210mg pw) subq no problem.
Whats also possible is to only inject your test subq as a base and then inject your other compounds im. Which I've also done with succes. For me the most important thing is super stable test levels.
Good reads man I appreciate it, how long in between pinning the same area? Say your on cycle pinning daily how many spots would I need or can I jump back and forth every other day?
He's got ya thinking about it huh?
Lol I mean, you can't go against science. If you can manage pinning everyday or eod then subq is a no brainer.
Hey man whatever works for anyone without harming them I'm all for it. And you're right I wouldn't recommend anything over .5cc but personally I'd go lower than that. I remember trying sub q many years ago and I was left with a lump for at least 6 weeks. It was at .5cc too.