Advice on First Cycle Optimization: Goals = weight loss / recomp
A little background,
[TLDR: I was a skinny runner, got hit by a car, became a fat opioid addict, and now am clean and committed to getting in shape & looking for advice!]
I weighed in the heaviest I ever have in my life about a year ago (300lbs) and decided not to be a fatass anymore. In HS, I competed in track and field (weighted 150lbs) and had my chances of playing in college cut short due to being hit by a car while bike riding. I currently weigh in at 235 lbs and have been working with a physician to aid in my weight loss and recomp. I started my first AAS cycle roughly a month and a half ago. Now, I want to attempt to optimize the cycle and avoid suppressing my already borderline low T (levels are around 300 ng/dl). Obviously, that could be better. However, it is hard to have a truly accurate reading due to my low caloric intake (1200-2000 calories daily) during the weight loss and the excessive body fat. To summarize, I am looking for any and all advice (supplements, diet, workout, cycle optimization). Below will be listed my current cycle and dosages, a list of the supplements I am currently taking, & current progress this year (went from 250lbs and some change to 235lbs currently)
I currently plan to add Tongkat Ali & Injectable L-carnitine, sr9009 (stenabolic), & gw0742 (cardarine) [Dosage advice would be appreciated!]
Specifically, I am looking into adding compounds like Tesofensine or additional peptides like hgh frag 176-191or ghrp-2/ghrp-6. Additionally, i was considering the addition of raloxifene or tamoxifen to help reduce the man tits. Any and all opinions are welcome, Cheers!
Supplements:
- Magnesium 800mg
- Super b complex
- Fish oil
- Ginger root
- garlic extract
- elderberry
- multivitamin
- Curcum-Evail (turmeric sup)
- D3 + K2
- Rauwolscine (a-yohimbine)
- L-carnitine L-tartrate
- ashwagandha
- Gorilla mode a2 am &
- Gorilla mode camp pm
| Compound Name | Dosage (amount) | Dosage (frequency) |
|---|---|---|
| Drostanolone Propionate (Masteron) | Irresponsible | M, W, F |
| gw0742 (cardarine) | 40mgs | 1x Daily |
| mk677 (ibutamoren) | 40-60mgs | M-F |
| ipamorelin/cjc 1295 | 500mcg | M-F |
| semaglutide | 1.5-2mg weekly (split into 3 injections) | M,W,F |
| Arimidex | 1mg | M, W, F |
| Clomid | 50mg | 1x Daily |
| AOD9604 | 500mcg/mg | oral lozenge 1x Daily |
| 5 alpha hydroxy laxogenin | 400-600mg | Daily |
| sr9009 (stenabolic) | 20mg | every 3-4 hours Daily |
| Phentermine | 18.75mgs | 1x Daily |
| Ecdysterone (Complexed) | 3000-6000mg | Daily |
| turkesterone(Complexed) | 3000-6000mg | Daily |
| instantized creatine | 10-20grams | Daily |
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Reading and thinking on it a bit, it would seem you are replacing one habit for another. In my limited opinion you should cut all "supps" down to as low a dose of Test (250mgs) as you can. Get your diet in check (it seems like you have) and train. Learn to replace that drug high with natty endorphins as much as possible. Watch your fat loss and see your strength gains which admittedly are not instant but are infinitely more gratifying. The reward system in your brain is going to activate. All the best to you my friend and I remain curious to your growth and progression. Keep up the great work brother!
Big respect for overcoming ur opioid addiction bro.. and there is hudge difference already in your weight...but keep up the good work in the gym and kitchen mate and take the advice from the guys on here, most of them are like fucking gurus on this stuff..
25yrs old with low testosterone.
Stop all the compounds, its a waste of money for your current shape. Get diet in check before using anything else (look up Makwa for some good cyclic cutting techniques).
A good diet should boost natural testosterone if not suppressed by other compounds. Get to sub 12% bf then get bloodwork done.
I dunno man, you're just throwing money away. I take very little supps with just 125mg of test every 5 days and I have no need for the majority of shit you're taking. Just get your diet and training on point. Can guarantee you'll see much better results.
You just need to concentrate on your eating habits over everything else, bottom line. That's your #1 problem. I wish I had disposable income like that to literally flush down the toilet.
Drop everything but the Test and focus on diet and training. Post up your complete diet and let the guys do what they do. I was in the same boat as you were I started at 270lbs and had a great first two months then stalled the next 2 posted up my diet and Makwa gave some good advice and suggested I eat more so I upped my cals to 2500 and the weight started coming off again and I started to look more muscular as well. We're a community of brothers and sisters here if you come respectful these guys will help you all day long.
He isn't taking any exogenous testosterone.....none whatsoever.
You have no idea what your doing. Try doing everything naturally, correct diet and exercise will get you a lot better results than taking all those random drugs you plan on taking. You need to do way more research before taking things. And reddit isn't the best place to get advice from.
I think you forgot to throw in the kitchen sink as well. Diet and exercise.. You are over relying on compounds which aren't going to do jack for you as far as results go. The reality is that at your current shape, diet and exercise are your most effective tools right now.
Appreciate that been going ham on the diet and fasted cardio with great results so far!
AAS and peptides are not a magical fat burner/body transforming solution bro. Nothing replaces hard work and dedication in and out the gym. You are already taking a concoction of chems... 3mg of Adex/week? Youre not on any testosterone? Just MastP @200mg On M/W/F? Overkill and crashing your estrogen given the fact you're not on any exogenous testosterone.Check the link I provided below for diet/fat loss and safely doing so naturally. The author of thread @Makwa I provided also has other various forums that you will find beneficial and recommend them highly. Click on his picture,then forums for the threads.
https://www.eroids.com/forums/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/the-fa...
Drugs are not the magic answer, nor is adding more to what you are currently on....have you considered actually seeing an endo or possibly going to TRTroute with an actual clinic that will supervise and aid you in the process? You're already spending money on supps you don't actually need,might as well instead put that money to use with aTRT clinic that will guide and supervise you in the entire process. That might be your best route, and also at the very least, do some research on compounds/protocols cause it seems as though you're just throwing darts in the dark with a blindfold over your eyes. Good luck
Yes, I am currently working with a physician who is aware and prescribes me most of the compounds I am taking. Blood work is great besides the 300 ng/dl test lvls. And I totally agree the hard work is where results show, and all the drugs do is make that work slightly easier. the results have been great since adding the mas about a month and a half ago, i go in for new bloodwork next week. Def do not see it as a quick fix by any means. Additionally, i am attempting to hold off on fully sending the trt option, at least until I loose more weight before I go adding compounds that aromatize into estrogen
This is just me, but I'd personally much rather just be on Testosterone as opposed to all the other laundry list of compounds you are currently on. Testosterone (TRT and dialed in through bloodwork so no need for any Aromatase Inhibitors) possibly some GH (fountain of youth) if your funds allow, those two alone will work much better than the slew of list you on now. IF I were you, that's what I would opt for, but that's me.