-3 Sarms vs Steroids
For context, Sarms are meant to be more selective towards skeletal muscle. On the other hand steroids are less selective and have tons of side effects when abused in high doses for long durations of time. Sarms are way less researched and are newer, but are meant to have almost no side effects, but still enhance muscle growth.
My personal experience with sarms, was a ostarine,cardarine and mk677 cycle. (Yes I know cardarine and mk677 are not sarms). I took 25mg mk677, 10mg cardarine and 50mg of ostarine for 3 months. All in all I experienced 0 serious side effects.
The minor side effects I experienced was lethargy and extreme hunger,and water retention from the mk677.
My cardio and stamina increased from cardarine. And my strength and muscle growth increased from ostarine.
No hair loss, just slight test suppression symptoms because I didnt use a test base, only dhea as a estrogen base. I didn't experience any liver damage symptoms or pain. I'm now running only 200mg test cyp. I can comfortably say ostarine is very comparable to 200mg of cyp, maybe even stronger. I was alot dryer, and more cut on ostarine even while in a caloric surplus. Only downside to sarms is they can't be used together with steroids because sarms knock steroids off the androgen receptor. Sarms are extremely selective.
Put your Questions about sarms and Experiences with Sarms down below. Lets discuss.
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To each there own, I've heard that a million times before. Sarms worked for me. Maybe because I had taken some time off working out and regained via muscle memory. Ostarine to me was lean, dry gains even in a caloric surplus. Yes definitely tons of sketchy websites but I did my due diligence and got a legit source. But definitely steroids win for me
Ran virtually every SARM and agonist when they were popular. Rad-140, sr-9009, GW, MK, LGD, all the good ones. (Gw, mk, &sr aren’t technically sarms, but were in the same craze). They don’t even virtually compare to steroids, and have much much less time around so less studies and proof. I’d rather run test solo and nearly any other compound. I’ve personally never understood this argument.
(I copied and pasted my response from the initial thread, I’ve been busy so not able to type up a ton more right now.). If anybody wants specifics I’ll try to get back to y’all tomorrow!
Yes I kind of see sarms as a synthentic version of something rather than the original. Sarms being aimed selectively for muscle growth. While steroids not only affect your muscles but also your psychology. I think sarms are popular since they're alot easier to get then steroids. Can definitely make gains from sarms. I would use sarms if I was a newbie or intermediate lifter. Test and other steroids have the downside of a grocery list of side effects if abused. I think low dose steroid cycles are fine since you get the mental and physical benefits. But once you start abusing steroids thats when bad things happen. I'm building a physique I can maintain on only trt in the future. Plus I'm sure 9/10 of women prefer a shredded muscular defined man with hair then a bloated, 20% bodyfat, bald man who sweats 24/7 and has trouble breathing lmao.
I halfway agree with that. The thing is- they’re only so “selective” most will still shut you down or damn near. So the psychological side is definitely there especially with something like rad-140, which is why I’d advise a test base with ANYTHING even research chems and sarms which are only “selective”. I feel like as much more research comes it is going to be lumped together. If you look at the chemical composition tons of these are nearly the same or derivatives of the same. SARMs have a bad rep because teens can get OTC and abuse to get big within a year at 16-17 now. That’s still going to ruin them in the future. Education is key, and only time will tell. I will be one of the ones who used himself as a lab rat when my day comes haha… atleast I can say I did it, and hopefully spread some knowledge to the young bucks who wanna get big quick.
Hey, I resent that bald man statement lol jk. You'd be surprised the number of women that like a bald guy.
No hate to bald people Lol. But a combo of 20% bodyfat, water retention and trouble breathing PLUS a bald head isn't very attractive in my opinion. But bald heads can look good if the physique matches.
Injectable yk11 and injectable lgd are very good sarms and just as good as steroids so is oral s23. Yk11 doesn't really have any side effects besides possibly sore joints because you have such strength increase that you tend to lift a lot heavier and put a lot of.strain on your joints and tendons. Lgd doesn't really have much side effects either besides water retention. Cardarine isn't technically a SARM but is grouped in, it's used for endurance increases and it fixes your cholesterol levels very nice after running steroids that ruin your cholesterols. And mk677 isn't technically either but it's grouped.in, taking mk677 is similar to taking 1/2iu of hgh but the problem is that a lot of people get a lot of side effects from it so a lot of people don't like it and talk shit about it. And people tend to talk alot of shit about sarms because they either get fake SARM or don't give them an honest try or only try oral versions, oral versions of sarms don't really do much tbh. But I personally love injectable yk11 and inj lgd is pretty good too and I like to take mk677 when I take breaks from hgh because I don't get bad sides from it.
Excellent comment. Yes definitely s23 and yk11 are great sarms. I've read lgd is 10x stronger then testosterone, but have yet to try lgd. Cardarine is great for cardio. Personally dont like mk677 because it kills my physique lmao, I like to have defined muscles and as little water retention as possible, and on mk677 I get super bloated. I'm pretty sure oral versions of sarms are perfectly fine, this is another benefit of sarms, they're very bioavailabe when taken orally. Only downside to sarms is they compete with steroids. Sarms also act very quickly and have a long half life of 24 hours or more. They usually kick in within a week but you feel the effects almost instantly.
The only one I've taken is the MK677. It made me lethargic for the first week or so, I was hungry all the time too the point it would wake me up at least once a night from my stomach growing,having to eat something. My grocery bill went way up lol. I gained a good amount of weight. So I decided that I'd only use it if I'm bulking and having problems with getting enough calories in.
Yk11 orally does barely.nothing, has very low oral bioavailability, it has to be injected for results. Lgd can be taken orally and.get some muscle building qualities but injectable is so much better but oral s23 is very strong but s23 probably has the most side effects of any sarms because it's so strong but produces the most results when taken orally. And yeah most people get the bloated side effects from mk677, luckily I don't but I also stay properly hydrated, low sodium diet and low sugar. The best thing to do is to run a trt dose of testosterone and run sarms on top of.that and you can avoid the suppression and it boosts the muscle building qualities. But it does reduce your shbg alot
100% well said. I'm all for low doses and milking as much gains out of each dose before increasing. I'm still trying to figure out the anabolic ratio of sarms. If it would be better to do low dose trt with a sarm instead of blasting more steroids.
And there is a much higher profit margin in selling roids than sarms so people will never really push sarms to be better than roids. Obviously some roids will blow sarms out of the water any day but inject yk/lgd and oral s23 can achieve the same muscle gains as a lot of roids with less side effects but very few will ever agree with that statement because they never experience real injectable sarms or real s23 or they never gave it an honest try.
Very interesting. I'll give it a go. Sarms definitely are very strong. I think sarms are better and can get the same gains with less side effects from running certain steroid cycles.
Another thing is you don't want to do a SARM and roid cycle because SARMs are much more selective than roids and will.hog the androgen receptors and.not let the roids get good effect and that's why there's no point in running more than a trt dose of test when running sarms because the sarms are hogging the AR
Exactly, well said.
I've only tried ostarine, cardarine and mk667. They all work. For health purposes cardarine is great. But ostarine 50mg definitely felt stronger then my trt dose of 200mg. Dryer, leaner gains even in a caloric surplus. I think sarms are a great stepping stone to steroids. Instead of instantly blasting steroids as a first cycle, something like ostarine, then rad140, then s23 and so forth. Accumulating as much mass as possible from each cycle. Then once you reach a point where sarms become ineffective, you switch to steroids and continuing the process. This would only work for a beginner lifter though