posted Fri, 06/21/2013 - 06:25
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+ 3 "you need 6+ months on HGH" = complete bullshit
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this is my third go-around with hgh. i notice my body changing within weeks, the same as it did the 1st and 2nd time. clearly, the longer you go at it the more you can attain/progress... but imho the only people telling you that you NEED to run it half a year or longer, are the guys selling it to you.
I see no issue with a 2-3 month summer run of hgh, and even at a low dose, results will be evident. anyone else share my opinion?
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I agree completely on the fast changes. I had always heard it takes months and with the cost combined with the time I was apprehensive about starting.
I started running 4ius a day and noticed significantly leaner appearance within weeks. Around the 3 month mark it was like a total body transformation. I put on size very quickly, and this just totally leaned me out. I had to take some time off for financial reasons and the results lasted, even felt like they got better before I started back up.
In a perfect world I’d just stay on HGH at 4iu + every day indefinitely. Anyone have any experience just staying on HGH only long term?
how do you manage insulin sensitivity at this dose for so long?
AnonI agree, you can see changes very quickly. I noticed mine in the first few months. But after running it past the 6 month mark the changes are more noticeable. If you do a 3 month hgh summer run starting the same day you do a summer cut aas cycle. ANd run the hgh though your PCT you will notice a huge difference in your cycle, in your recovery as well. I have ran hgh in 2 PCTS now and it is amazing. I will be posting my experience next week when im all done with my current pct.
KK you still pcting brother? what is this? 1988? I'm juss playing, but you know better than that! You know you only stop running hormones when you stop caring about this game. still on those hyges?
AnonHahahahah yeah still pcting. And I love those hyges. I get a lot of pharma now too, but those hyges test so well I see no reason to keep them in my stash
with good gh you will see changes on the spot !
Just picked up some Pharma gentropin, and yes I can relate to this. Miles apart in so many ways from fakes and low level GH.
Just knowing you have the real deal is enough
Have never ran gh, but I'm researching the crap out of it as I'm starting soon. This seems to be true for a lot of people I have read about. Most seem to notice feeling of well being and skin tightness as well as better complexion within the first 2 weeks. Anyway I will have to report back once I start but I'm really looking forward to it
WithdrawlFat loss benefits right away too bro. It's awesome.
Sounds awesome, I might be able to skip comp prep all together next year then ! .. I think I've read somewhere that you've used it with slin how were your gains with that? And did you notice any fat gain at all?
WithdrawlIn 8 weeks I ended up with a gain of 12 lbs of muscle. I gained such little fat with the HGH in there that it only took me two weeks to lose all the fat I gained. I haven't seen gains like this in years. I usually cut bulkers short because I hate gaining fat, but with the HGH my fat gains we're dramatically reduced. I always shot some hgh with my slin so they were both active at the same time. Not sure if that contributed to my lack of fat gains but it worked great for me.
I second that. +1
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Shut up idiot
I've seen great results within 2-3 months use to even at small dosages so I do agree with you some.
I know this is an HGH thread but seems to have been taking over by Slin discussion so....
Hey just want to say this don't start messing around with Slin unless you 100% know what you are doing read read read,, and caution caution caution,, Slin will kill you if you fuck up plain and simple..
WithdrawlX2. Become and expert on slin use before you start using and ALWAYS be prepared. Never go anywhere without carbs on hand.
From everyones post really seems like its all up to your goals and wallet. For the most part you will "feel" overall well being immediately. And that affect if you will, gains momentum as you continue on using it. Really seems like hgh is best used with a term around here called "cruising". I new so I reluctantly ask... Is there a reason not to use hgh forever? I've hear lazy pituitary can be an issue.... ?
Nah hgh has a really short halflife and there is a study hat shooting Hgh eod in Then morning with a dose up to 4iu doesnt effect your endogenous Hugh production At all.
And hgh is The Best thing for rejuvation wie have so its not that bad of an idea to run it lifelong
I totally disagree with this, although you may see or feel some results early on, the longer hgh is ran the better. Here is something i found on fat loss that makes it more understandable then i can put in words. "Hgh works by increasing the amount of IGF-1 that a person's liver excretes. IGF-1 prevents insulin from transporting glucose to cells. Normally, after you eat, your pancreas releases the amount of insulin necessary to transform carbohydrates into glucose. Your body then stores this glucose in fat cells and uses it for energy. HGH induced IGF-1 prevents insulin from storing this glucose in cells, therefore forcing your body to burn fat for energy.
Normally, a person's body uses all of their glucose for energy before seeking that energy from their fat reserves. Human growth hormone forces your body to seek energy from the fat reserves first." So the longer hgh is used the more results will be seen. The people using insulin with hgh seeing results immediately, are seeing the results from the insulin not the hgh yet.
this is why it's pretty much crucial to take slin with hgh lol. the transporting of nutrients to the muscle cells is highly anabolic
the insulin prevents protein from breaking down and HGH increases protein synthesis that the slin takes with glucose and brings to the muscle.
HGH is pretty much not anabolic at all without insulin, I still can not figure out why anyone wastes money on HGH without combining it with insulin unless they are strictly using it for replacement therapy effects
cbrant10Isn't insulin extremely dangerous and isn't that how most people die from supposed "steroid" use (I know its a peptide)
stay away from it bro if you don't know the answer for this question you have no business using it.
AnonThanx for the link man, bro im not ready for that maybe when i graduate cuz ill have a shit load of money but rite now im living the student life but ill prolly go the hgh only route to loose a couple % of bodyfat to reach 10%
Sounds good man. Insulin is only for top level bodybuilders in my opinion. It takes a lot of effort and is not easy. You literally become a slave to food. You have to meal plan 24/7 and have to count carbs, calories, protein and take tons of supplements as well glutamine, creatine, aminos, hca, protein. Also have to check blood glucose levels through the day and to plan your days because you can not go anywhere while insulin is active unless you WILL be eating food when you get there. It is a lifestyle. The average joe should not use insulin. Plenty of gains can be made using test, tren, dbol, eq, deca and HGH no need for anything else
Also insulin WILL MAKE YOU FAT. Especially if you do not have your diet in perfect order.
AnonHey question bro so if i were to use hg with no slin that would lead to fat burn? With slin would lead to more muscularity?
yes hgh without insulin will lead to improved fat loss.
AnonFor shits n giggles were can i find a forum post that talks about the correct way to use insulin
Google is a good start my friend
http://basskilleronline.com/insulin.shtml
though I wouldn't recommend it unless you are completely serious about it. It takes a lot of devotion and time and effort to properly use slin. One mistake can be your last.
2 to 4 ius ed. Early mornin shot and afternoon shot of hgh. When is best time for slin and how much
LOL...give it roughly a couple of decades and watch your natural igf go down and you'll start appreciating the other benefits besides anabolism
In ref to hgh and slin what do you mean
My point being, you don't need to use slin to get some real benefits from GH. The older you are the more apparent they become I believe. The purpose behind slin as I understand at this point is to maximize it's anabolic potential.
BigBmajGH is not anabolic if insulin isn't present. At least that's the way I've always heard it.
I think that's j223 point.
definitely =]
insulin is used to grow, i use hgh with great success without insulin for fat loss and sense of well being. hgh is more of a lifestyle then a quick fix.
those are replacement therapy effects like i mentioned
correct, just like everyone is talking about, it's intended use.
WeatherwedBoom! This needed to be said 1000's threads ago. The only thing ill add is that slin is not the boogie man!
Nice info Re: the mechanism behind the fat burning and also helps explains why the effect can be felt in weeks. I believe according to Pathtaker, who is into the anti-aging aspects of GH, at a steady dose igf-1 levels stabilize in a month.
Ive always kind of wondered why people said that you need 6 months on, when I look at logs and see guys like Withdrawl talking about seeing results in weeks.
Ive even seen some people claiming feeling great after first pin, but im sure a good deal of that is placebo effect.
I have to agree with you jOn, I did a low dose high frequency 1iu pm/bed, and 1iu am/wake. It definitely has made a dramatic change in the way I looked and felt and I was only able to do it for about 45 days. But its been about 45 days since my last injection but have just been getting stronger and more defined. If I could afford the GH I would do it 365 days a year as a daily supplement because the stuff is incredible and I want to live past 120 years LOL. The way GH makes you feel in mind and body cannot compare to anything. People say that athletes are stupid, not really, they are the ones taking GH. If anything they take too much, say 25 ius a day.....JEEEZE...make that money. But I agree with you J0N, Just a month you change everything while on GH.
Its was the HYges 100iu browns BTW..... And the fact that GH keeps the telemores at the ends of you dna strand nice and long!
WeatherwedI agree OP. That's been my experience. The most dramatic and immediate effects is the sense of well being you get from GH. That alone allowed me to train more effectively and run tren with out the psychological issues.
I will say that although I originally thought I could only afford one 200iu run, after I started I found the money to continue. It's been a solid 6 months now @ 4-6 iu ED. My current cycle is test only, hgh, and slin. I feel like a million bucks and im averaging 2-3 lbs in gains everyweek... which is amazing considering I started @ 5'10 200... once you're at that weight you fight for additional lb with your life.
How much help do you think a short run (200iu) be for a "clicky" shoulder?
your question raises a good point that i didn't think of. the idea of running hgh for repairing/healing injury is another animal. I'm speaking of the fat-loss/anti-aging/psychological benefits that happen quicker than is commonly repeated. I won't be much help on this one...
I agree with this. I did a write up on this topic a while back.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/hgh-peptides/rhgh/gh-short-term-effects-0
excellent post dossier. +1