posted Fri, 05/24/2013 - 14:33
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I cant find any legit HGH, its driving me crazy.. any one here knows if any specific brand that is any good . they are all shipped from china so it doesnt matter where u buy it. now there is so many wierd brands, red tops, blue tops, and i know that all kigtropin is fake.. yep im kinda of lost and frustrated cuz i just caught some tendonitis lately
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Feeling the same struggle.
put some real stats up, and try not bump old posts, and in case you are looking there is no source talk in open forum there is a place for that.
Roger that. I'll update status right now.
I understand the source talk rules in the forums. That's why my comment was not in question format. I was just telling the guy I empathize. Searching out what he's looking for is like a leap-of-faith, at times. Tends to be higher-priced. The stuff (if pre-mixed) has to be handled properly. And realistically, it should be shipped, overnight, with some dry ice. That's my understanding of how normal specialty pharma fills orders.
But yea, I was just telling the guy I agree ... Looking ain't easy. And it's certainly not cheap.
Fair enough, just a heads up.
BigBmajLooks like a lot has changed in 3 months.
phil113kgI'm using a blue top sold by an ex-member of Eroids and this is what I can tell you; I recently bought a new moto and as usual I bought some new equipment to go along with it like gloves and a new helmet. Well at the time of purchase I was using a blue top brand that blew certain body parts out of proportion. My hands were so swollen and so tight that the largest size gloves, XL, were hard to get into. I would normally wear a size LARGE for a helmet but was forced to choose a XL. My neck resembled a linebacker for a pro football team, thick and solid. My jaws would hurt from chewing food after several minutes. Fuck writing or typing cuz it would get down right painful. Now keep in mind that I started running 4 IUs ED starting the 29th of April the day after my comp. Diet stayed pretty much clean and slin was ran along side the GH dosed at 31 IUs ED. I came off slin and GH just 7 days ago and my hands has slowly shrunk back to it's normal size. I find that my helmet is a tad bit too big. So yes, when you find a generic brand that is good then use it without being to worried that it is "generic".
Why is the trend nowadays to evaluate GH based on side effects rather than results :/ What good results did u see from blue tops?
phil113kgOh I didn't mention; The 28th of April was the Champion de France and I weighed 89,5 kilos. I started GH along with slin the 29th and by two weeks I was up to 115 kilos. No it's not from a rebound effect cause this sat I have another comp so my diet had to be within limits. I wonder if that's good enough results?
WithdrawlSlin and HGH is an AMAZING combo! I just started 2 weeks ago and I'm up 10 lean lbs with hardly any fat gained. Definitely capable of bringing the body to the next level!
slin w/ igf-1 and ghrp 6 is also good.. thats what im on right now. i cant stop eating, eating every hour
How do u dose your slin, IGF-1, GHRP-6 cycle? I was gonna try the same 3 but have never tried any of them.. Thanks
I have followed ur progress and admire ur physique
not trying to be a smartass about this but do u really attribute any of this weight gain to 2 weeks of GH? Even megadosed GH would take more than 2 weeks no? Slin however, diff story!
phil113kgNo don't worry I don't mind answering that. Well good point there cause the GH was just one of many ingredients in the cocktail to boost certain hormone levels. I had a month to play with so we figured we could do a short blast of sust, test, tren, GH, slin, and GHRP-6 just to get me over the hump. Call it silly but it did the job and I filled out like hell. But I ran Gh for 9 months straight before and never did I get the level of effects as I did in this cocktail.
because you are not gonna see results immediately unless you are mega dosing.
Also im sure phil is likely using more than 8-10iu daily cuz he competes at top level. That would cost a fortune to support if he was using pharma
phil113kgJust the opposite J223, I was only at 4 IUs ED and went as high as 5 till just 10 days ago where I had to drop GH and Slin to cut back on the water.
oh my bad my mistake. I was told anything less than 6iu is not going to yield much growth (at least shorter term)
but I suppose it you are using it mainly for it's effect on gluconeogenesis/fat burning, then higher doses probably aren't needed.
WithdrawlI've been on 4iu of HGH a day for 2 weeks and I'm able to eat more without gaining any fat. My results so far have been outstanding. I use a moderate dose of insulin 5 days a week post workout (6 units) and my vascularity from the HGH is through the roof. Up 10 lbs. There is definitely muscle building and physical benefits of HGH right of the bat with a dose of 4iu a day. Honestly, I've never had any combination of steroids make me this vascular. It's really quite awesome.
Right on bro! Get sum. I'm not using hgh but the poor man's substitute, ghrp2 and cjc1295. My hands are completely numb all morning every time I was up and I literally can not use them at all for 15 mins. I just shake my arms and eventually wiggle my fingers until I am able to!!
Rest has been amazing full deep sleep waking up well rested my memory has improved, had a sprained ankle last week now its fully healed. Eating 4700 calories a day and am leaning out! No fat gain at all.
mixed with log 2x a day I'm getting skin splitting pumps very intense vascularity is freakish and my strength is increasing.
I'm very impressed and can't wait until I can afford HGH but until then I'm doing amazing and happy as is. Already gained 15 pounds past few weeks and still climbing!! Biggest I have ever been in my life I love it
WithdrawlDamn, sounds like you're seeing good results with the ghrp2/cjc combo!
it's not HGH but I sure as hell am getting good results. It's doing the job and the combo with slin is great.
Peptides are definitely not used often enough they are very useful to anyone! Heal injuries, improve recovery, improve skin sleep everything! No HPTA shutdown. Surprised more people don't use I'm sure they will in time
WithdrawlI was real impressed with IGF-1 LR3 too. Just got some more to add in soon. The healing properties on my tendons was worth it alone.
What HGH are u using brother
WithdrawlViptropin (Vips for short). Just posted some pics of them and it lists the source that produces and sells them. I don't think I can post source info in an open forum like this. PM me if you have any questions or anything.
I know who does them no worries. Was just curious thats all!
I know GH it takes time bro, that wasnt the point. The point was if we wanna assess if the GH is doing its work, we care more about knowing what the positive results were instead of what the sides were. As a fellow user mentioned below, sides arent always a good indication..
Jooseman4IU's of Chinese and my hands look like im a cripple.. 8IU's of pharma and no disfunction in hands >=/
So what's the cause of that? What is in the Chinese that has that effect?
Joosemannot sure tbh.. some sort of antidiuretic hormone probably
Anon.
check out hyges, vips, and rips in the lab section. ive never seen a bad test on rips. and there are two sources i know of that sell good hyges.
is it even possible for peptides to elevate GH levels to >20???
WithdrawlI just started HGH two weeks ago. Using Vips and my god, I am loving it. Seeing results already. This is going to be a game changer.
tread-mThere is one knock off rips I remember a while back with bad bloods posted and knock off bottle. By and large though you're right pretty good record.
tread-mXV, as you dig deeep into HGH over a long period of time and learning it, you will realize the so called "Brand " means nothing. For example, if. So called "red top" brand comes out and becomes popular 10 other producers will begin making a red top. Anything from copy to top copy and then you are really confused. One guy says reds are great anothe r says horrible, one great bloods another bloods unchanged etc.
so that is another reason all the different brands pop up continually. I producer has good product so to speak and then these parasites copy it and ruin its reputation forcing the maker to come up with other labels because the dirtbags out for the bug destroyed the rep of his otherwise good product producing and putting so many fakes into the market place.
I got into kigs way back when they were actually a great product. In a very short time there were 100 kigs copies on the market and it slwoy ruined the rep and then real kigs went to shit shortly after out of necessity I believe to survive the label.
Hyge is a good example. They have been around a long time and up and down up and down up and down. As they got popular initially and selling like hotcakes 1000 people starting making knock off and drove it to the dirt. Eventually they rebounded only to fall again then rise again then fall again etc.
The belief is that one of the original patent holders, the old schooll gensci maker Dr Lynn went to work underground for .com.cn and the hyge were once again good. He had been ran out of the business essentially in part I think from all the international fines for being underground at a time when they were top pharma in china. True gen is still chinese pharma but now script only after the suits and fines from US, Canada, Austalia etc.
So too late for "long story short" but the way you play hgh is to find a good supplier, good product, then ride that product until it falls and move on. It is rare one will be on top for over a year (in terms of descent product) and much of that is due to the scum out to make a buck ruining the rep of otherwise good GH.
GH is a veeeeery cut throat market!
Then of course you have a situation such as around 15 months ago by where there were local crack downs and fines inside China which flipped the "powder market" on its head! There was a period by where there were some pretty good cheaper products on the market, not great but much more purity above 80% than now by far. At that time the powder market which is who was selling to all the bottlers with different chinese labels was fairly stable so that meant there were many GH products that would actually benefit the users. Once the crackdowns destabilized that market the bottlers had to go even deeper underground. Then of course they went from purchasing powder from anyone who had it and almost all chinese product went to hell over night. It was random frag and when you have to buy randoms from 10 differnt people there's no way of knowing what's in one bottle to the next much less batch quality!
If you can get pharma, get it. If not play the game, find good and use it until it becomes no longer good. Little pointer too, when buying "pharma" or so called "pharma" online such as is described below...guess what? Yup...much of it is "copy " or "top copy" too. You need not guess further than all the gen jin jen products to wonder that. You also need not look further than the crown jewel "Eli Lilly". You will not get Eli without a doc source or script and yet its in the market. Its one of two things, copy or Mexican and even some of the Mexican Eli is copy. Another problem with Mexican Eli...its either 1 or 1.5 mg. That is compared to American sold 5 mg. Once you do the math even if you find good mexican and get enough to equal 5 mg, the costs are sky high. Such as with me, have a doc hook up for Eli at a cost of 320.00 for 18 iu's! Yeah, that's not happening!
In my case Ikve had 4 and 5 products at a time come in to allow me to find descent GH and thrown out most knwoing they were peps. One tip is knowing your reaction to some peps such as ghrp6 or cjc1295. I've use a ton of them and personally get warm face and a little light headed immediately following pop if punching higher doses so when I get that reaction from a GH, guess what...its poly's and not GH or the frag is so random its anywhere from pep count strands to poly strands and likely very little of that meeting a 191 standard in purity.
Study on GH everyday for a year brother and at the end of the year at least you will have some understanding of just how F'ed up the GH market is. I hear people frustrated with the oil market and laugh, hell oil is easy when compared to the GH market and pretty cut and dry black and white. GH market is to chess what the oil market is to checkers and everytime you think you get it figured out you pop your head above water and realize you have a hook in your mouth!
Welcolme to my world, its not pretty and its not easy....sure you want in? : )
U dont have that's GURU tag for nothin tread! Seriously, great info bro. The whe UGL market is fucked up man, but
Your right we must find our 1-3 go to sources and stick with them till they fall off and move on to the next.
thank you for taking the time, now i feel wiser
Gold! Makes me.feel smarter to have chosen pharma from the start.
LOL...smarter choice bro. There's some food for thought in Tread's reply.
It looks like you would still need to exercise some caution with pharma. I'm referring specifically to the section on how to get indications the pharma you're buying is real or or just loaded with peptides. You're paying a premium for it. Another indicator that gives you that much confidence in your purchase or tells you something ain't quite right is pretty damn helpful. This brings up the question...what is the manufacturing cost of a specific pharma GH? I don't know now or how to find out at this time. If it's below manufacturing cost, then something stinks. Like anything, if it's too good to be true, it probably is.
On the other hand, it seems that the generics aren't completely w/o value. If you want to save a few bucks and are "willing to play the game", it might be worth looking at new generics that come out and checking if they're ok. Possibly the batches in the early months are actually useful until the generic becomes too popular and the fakes come out or the stuff is just garbage from the get go. One question is, who wants to jump first to find out?
NOTE: I'm inferring from Tread's reply, you would still have to pin more of a generic (assuming it has GH) to get the equivalent effect of real pharma because real pharma has more purity and therefore more gh. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. So the cost difference might be a wash, but the generic might be easier to obtain.
This info is gold providing history and nuance. Thank you! Truly the words of a sage.
DAYum brotha... That "GURU" tag is very fitting for you. Very fucking impressive! Much respect
Hygetropin I've been on them for the last year very good stuff Bro.
welcome to lvl 1, yea i appreciate ur help w/ that link
tread-mThere are many "hygetropins" as in qoute "real" so to speak and knock off. I'm not opposed to knock off at all but some crap out there too. What happens once a so called "good" GH becomes popular is that othes "copy" it. Copy means anything from copying the packaging only and putting in maybe a random poly to "top copy" which is same packaging and "good" produc at least to the degree that the percentage of 191 strand meets that roughly of the maker you are copying.
Many go so far as to identically copying the website of the maker. At some point the copy that's not top copy begins to ruin the reputation of the actual maker, even in cases where the actual makers product remained good so to speak. So my point is, you can't simply throw out a brand or name, it has to specify which hyge and unfortunately in this case that would mean using the original "source name" and we are unable to do that in this forum. Makes the game even tougher in my opinion but those are the rules.
Get pharma bro! Everyone here uses Norditropin pens. Got a pic under my profile
Any experience with Serostims? I'm considering...it'd be nice to have feedback.
Jooseman5+ IU will hit you HARD worth every penny in comparison to Chinese GH
We only have Genotropin and Norditropin where I live, sorry bro
NP
Dont 126iu seros run for like 1k+? Nordis are cheaper, a top source on here just added them to their site and posted the cheapest price for them ive seen
All Norditropin® products must berefrigerated prior to first use.<< From their website. Do you know if they send in refridgerated containers?
After first opening Norditropin® NordiLet® 5 and 10 mg can be kept safely up to 25°C/77°F, for an in use time of 3 weeks. Alternatively, 4 weeks stored at 2–8°C/35–48°F
Norditropin® NordiLet® 15 mg should always be kept in the fridge at 2–8°C/35–48°F. After first opening Norditropin® NordiLet® 15 mg can be used for 4 weeks.
I don't think anyone would ship in refrigerated containers, too much suspicion for customs. But given the above, all should be good.