+ 1 HGH should i continue
Ok...im 10 weeks through a anti ageing HGH cycle. Im using 200iu Hygetropin kits. Turquiose tops. Im doing a single dose of 2iu at night.
I am not a HGH novice. I used it once before back in 2011/2012 I did a 9 month cycle using various kits at various times (Genentech/kigtropin/Hygetropin)...I did the same 2iu protocol than....overall the cycle was a success and showed me the power of genuine good hgh. I would point out I had the greatest success with Hygetropin back than. Despite a middle level diet (not totally fat fuck not bodybuilder contest) after 4 months I had blurry abs and by 6 months I did decent abs......which I maintained. Eventually a combination of a lack of supply due to the London Olympics being held in my home city at the time and authorities clamping down on supplies and cost I quit using it.
Fast forward to now....
I know its early days and I have only been using 10 weeks. But what I am getting big time right now on these hyge's which I never had befoire is..........MAJOR letharagy, stiffening of joints, bad carpal in the hands.....yes sleep is deep but apart from that I never got these symptoms before on 2iu.....the 2011/2012 cycle there was no carpal at all.....
The lethargy is very bad and im using caffeine to get by. The stiffening of joints is affecting me more.
I have no way of having this gear tested to see if its real.
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I would get Get blood work done!
you're right bro. But in London its very expensive and not easy to find a clinic. Im going on holiday to the far east in 2 months and will look to get it done there.
There are hundreds of us in London and there are posts on where to get bloods done. Use the search and you'll find the posts or track my posts from my profile.
I wouldn't take the GH at night, again if you search my posts I reviewed my GH experience not so long ago and mention how I dose. My second shot I take no later than 3-4 in the afternoon. Your dose I would take in the morning when you wake up.
The lethargy, I never got but I run pharma, should go once your body is accustomed to the new exogenous GH.
The dry joints happened mainly on my right knee but I ignored it, bought cissus and omega oils and moved on. I don't have any issues with my knee any more.
I say the carpel tunnel is because you're taking it so late at night, if it persistents drop the dose down to 1iu for 2 weeks and then when the CT has subsided build up to 2iu.
ignoring any pain and pushing through it is not the best advice. It's what I did. It's not what I'm advising
Read below. OP's on a 10 month test/EQ (low dose cycle) with letro. No blood work. Willing to bet there is an issues with the estro and the GH is magnifying the symptoms. Up to the OP to get bloods done to check. I agree with what you're saying regarding when to dose the GH.
I checked age and stats and then posted my reply, then read through the entire post of replies.
Mosy likely elevated SBHG / estro and maybe even prolactin with low free test and even FSH and probably some liver and kidney function that's out of whack.
I think everyone is in agreement that bloods are the only way to tell.
Also if he drops the GH the GH symptoms won't stop for at least a week or two. I'd say 2 max because I could barely close my hands with my CT and it took two weeks before I felt confident in upping the dose.
There's no guessing when it comes to growing...
Mini muscle and dacky thank u so much .this is what makes this particular forum a great place.even when experienced guys mess up there is knowledge able support.i will get bloods done
I've never run hyges before but I.have run soma hgh and I always get real lethargic the first couple weeks then it it tapers off never had it last 10 weeks though hopefully one of the members who has runn hyges will be able to help
These guys are excellent and the cheapest I've found - http://www.bloodhoundonline.co.uk/athletes.
the Neasden one is just down the road from me!! Thanks
Thanks Dacky!
I too am bemused at this lethargy . I have tried to ride it out. But after ten weeks of walking like a old man and struggling at work its really becoming an issue.
I have spent a lot of money on two boxes which have set me back £520 and im barely half way through one box!!
Consider stopping for a couple of weeks and seeing if you're symptoms go away. If they do you know it's the GH.
Get bloods done looking at Biochemestry and Full Blood Count, hormones (testosterone, prolactin, estrogen, LH, FSH), GH Serum and IGF-1 levels. I'm running 4IU GH per day (not the brand you're running) and while I do feel a bit tired at times I don't have debilitating symptoms like you do. Perhaps the GH could be overdosed?
Edit: check your thyroid function too your problem could be there if you're running HGH and experiencing symptoms like you are.
its been 3 days off, still the fatigue and stiff joints persist...I guess it will take some time to clear if indeed it is the HGH responsible (and im certain it is)
The irony is 4 months ago I tried a very low dose of DNP for a week and found the lethargy a nightmare so threw it away.I didn't get stiff joints than
Now I have endured 10 weeks of the same lethargy crap as well as the stiff joints (mostly knees- which I have never had before)
I still think you should get the blood tests done. Are you running anything else at all? What your history running aas and other drugs. Do you drink alcohol, smoke, take recreational drugs etc? And glad you stopped that DNP. That shit is poison and it kills.
Hi dacky. I havnt drunk a drop of liquor for 16 years (never liked it) ,dont smoke ,have never done recreational drugs. Have bben doing mild aas like eq,test,var and deca the last 4 years.always 2-3 months a year always had bloods done ,gave blood etc........now this time....tbh is longest cycle of my life 0.5 ml eq 0.5 test with anti estro thrown in once a week (letro) for last ten months non stop.....i did var 20mg for 6 weeks too...rhe hgh i introduced ten weeks ago...thats when this severe lethargy and joint stiffness kicked in....sure its also when a humid summer kicked in too here ....i think its the hgh and the next 7 days ought to tell me.....i also realise although the dose is low ...ten months og eq is not good for rbc and hemotocrit....im going on holiday to the far east in a month will gwt all bloods than.....thanks for your help bro
Fella. Sorry you've been running a test/EQ cycle for the last 10 months, you've got some weird symptoms and you haven't had blood work done in a while. If I were you I would get blood done asap. Come on man this is your health were taking about. Here's a little known fact - EQ metabolises into a potent AI for some. That couple with you taking an AI for ten months could have really crashed your estro which would explain all your symptoms. But you need bloods to check. Never mind where your hematocrit could be which could also explain the lethargy and can be life threatening if its out of control.
Thanks bro.ive felt ill this evening,mild palputations, i may go down to the hospital tommorow gwt an ecg done .
Irony is im in close to the best shape of my life. Up to 184 lbs with great vascularity and definition. ....ive got carried away and im hoping it was just the hgh.
Well if you're doing that just tell them what you've been running and ask them to do full blood work for you too. Remember it's the NHS and from an A&E perspective they don't give a shit if you've been running aas so just be straight with them and they'll test as necessary. Good luck mate and pls post back here so I know how you're doing. I'll pop you a FR too. Hit me up anytime.
Thanks man. Woke up day 4 off the hgh im sure am a little less stiffness in joints.cant face spending all day in an nhs on a weekend so will leave to monday i think