HGH + Aromasin
I have taken my love of boxing to greater levels these past 5 years. Now in my late 30s I constantly finding myself, looking to improve endurance and experiment with compounds for athletic performance.
Test-E and Stana or Var have been my staple cycles for years. But my aerobic performance suffered greatly under these compounds. Strength and lean muscle gains have always been great along with fat loss. But the water-weight has killed me and the aerobic portion suffered too greatly.
I have moved into a new era of my compound life.
I'm now on HGH daily - a therapeutic dose of 2-3iUs daily. I am also on 12.5mg of Aromasion EOD.
I FEEL AMAZING. My body fat has dropped to 9% and my boxing endurance and road work have improved immensely.
I have used HGH for a while - but have not used Aro in this way before without Test. The reason I am experimenting is due to bloods in the last 6 months. My TEST results were very low 280 in fact. My estrogen levels were not incredibly high but did slightly outweigh my TEST. I'm prone to gyno as well.
After some research I found that some people do use Aro off cycle in combination with Peptides to manage their TESt and E levels.
I feel fantastic. But what am I missing? Are there dangers to my approach here? Looking for any advice in this area or comments.
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basskiller89At 4-5IU's you'll be beating up 20 year olds lol .. JK
I think blood work is what is needed here. The goal would be to maintain normal physiological ranges of all hormones in question
This isn't going to end well
Team, based on all the mixed feedback I’m suspending my use of Aro immediately and will need get bloods done and get back to the drawing board. I suspected it was too good to be true and I will remain conservative.
Will remain on HGH and get bloods done in 1 week and then again in 3 months to see my homeostasis.
SunnyD.81Exemestane suppressed plasma estradiol comparably with either dose [25 mg, 38% (P ≤ 0.002); 50 mg, 32% (P ≤ 0.008)], with a reciprocal increase in testosterone concentrations (60% and 56%; P ≤ 0.003 for both).
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/88/12/5951/2661508
So you have 1 study that monitored pts for 10 days and now you think what he is doing is ok? everyone stop taking test, aromasin is perfect for daily use now!! Crash your estrogen and maybe increase test for a while.
SunnyD.81This says is increases LHand FSH? Maybe why it's in some PCT stacks?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9274439/
SunnyD.81No.. lol relax. I didn't even say anything. I copy and pasted part of their research. There's tons of research though. Just Google it. And no I don't think taking an AI not on test is a good idea. I'm just posting info to why it may have worked for him... relax chief.
There is no research about hgh and aromasin. I'm scratching my head? So you have done cycles before. Didn't like the water. Changed. Decided to do hgh at 2to 3 iu. Ok great. And take aro 12.5mg eod???? That really makes no sense. Your test is low because you have done cycles and now you dont. Aromasin is a powerful drug. Do you plan on using aro forever? How's your cholesterol? I know people have taken closed for a while but never aromasin. Your next test you have to be crashing your estrogen completely. Stop taking it
First, thanks for posting since that is interesting.
My takeaway - Aromasin would lower SHBG leaving which would increase mood and performance IMO. But, since you are also not taking test your body may be producing or trying to produce test due to lower estrogen for conversion. If your E2 goes too low, your fat will drop as well in the midsection. Really low E2 is supposedly bad for your heart (not really sure tho).
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Rustyhooker'Aromasin would lower SHBG '
Never heard that. Any proof?
SunnyD.81Isnt that part of why we use Aromasin in PCT? I Google searched and seems Aromasin has an effect on increasing LH and FSH as well?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9274439/
SunnyD.81SHBG concentrations were decreased by 21 ± 7% (P = 0.0003) and 19 ± 39% (P = 0.18) at 25 and 50 mg exemestane, respectively.
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/88/12/5951/2661508
With regard to your heart: estrogen plays a big role in conjunction with the liver in removing bad cholesterol from the blood. It also is involved with increasing good cholesterol. This is one of the reasons SERMS can help lipid profiles more than AI’s on cycle because the estrogen is still allowed to do its thing. It’s also one of the reasons we preach AI only if you need it, because if you crash your estro it’s only a matter of time before your lipid panel goes to shit.
Great response from bigGuns and Bearded. I will take some bloods next week actually to check my panels.
If you look at my history on E-Roids I’m a consesrvative as you get when it comes to compounds - because I really feel the more natural you can be the better.
As for AI versus SERM that is super interesting.
Bearded: are you saying if I stay on Nolva, my lipid profiles are better off and can I stay on Nolva long term? What dosages are recommended?
I don’t take it because I get terrible acne from high estro so I’m not the guy to ask about dose. I would imagine nolva could be used long term but I’ve also heard it lowers igf1 levels so there’s another factor. Generally if you don’t need to take something long term you shouldn’t.
Keep it simple.