posted Fri, 11/11/2011 - 13:10
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well so far i have had 2 blood test to test my igf-1 levels and both have come back in the normal range. first blood test was with kig at 4iu /day 7 days a week with test e taken the entire time as well. took kig for about 18 weeks got a test and it came back at 312 "igf-1" so i went to there jin. was on jin and test for about 11 week and levels came back at 316 "igf-1" this time.
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lol whats your malfunction man??? 312 is NOT normal....Yes it falls under that range in the graph..but you are only 20 pts from abnormal aka danger zone...quote from my doc. Say thank GOD to have a range that high.
Try this out for size.....Get tested again but do it this way....
Stop taking growth...no arganine...stay away from eldopa 15%...and get tested late in the evening and then say hello to the low 200`s
Whats funny is if you try to get growth from a clinic and tell them those numbers the first thing they will assume is you are already on growth. And try and tell them you are not.....you will hear a dial tone.
tread-mTotally agree with lime. You cant make science without all the variables factored in and you have to have comparison values. You should have done on igf-1 off of test and hgh because even simple test use causes the body to produce more growth hormone to meet the balance in the axis. Next question, age stats and general health. How much test are we talking about, enough to create a higher balance in the axis or a maintenance dose that might only give a high enough balance for 3 iu's and if so and your growth is normally low then that is high....I could do this all night. You only have half the science and you also have only included half the information. Even a qualified endocrinoligist, which I'm not, would tell you there is no way in hell to make an assessment on whether or not your growth is quality based on this info. I would suggest this, first please supply all the other info I suggested so I and others can see if any of us see cause for this reading other than low quality...then...as much as it sucks you will either have to cycle up evem higher very slowly to get to 7 or 8 iu's with at least 600mg of long ester test a week or around 1050mg of prop a week and run that for 4-6 weeks and test again..or...cycle off completely and run a full jump start and pct and in about 60 days following that test again. Then we come back and cycle back up and test....I love science and I love knowing but this is too little to judge fairly. What we do know at this point to be fact, 9 of us have tested for hcg and those came up negative. I have used ehealth kig longer than most here and here are my results and if you can think of anything else that would cause my symptoms I'm happy to listen. Had early onset carpal tunnel syndrome symptoms, swelling in knees and some joint issues running it up to fast and then had very numb hands also from running up too fast. My weight has increased in lean muscle mass, decreased bf% and all of the normal signs of feel better skin better hair better etc and check this out...had a pretty good percentage of greying hair that is almost completely gone. So I'm open minded but I'm also not in denial. Lay down your test volumes and the other info, really am interested in seeing what your usage is and include, have you been on the test this whole time etc. If you dont mind, go into deep detail ...up to you of course but these things matter to me, I want all of us to be as informed as possible when it comes to things we shoot into our bodies! Lol thanks brother....
i been slippen tread...i need to start my patrol again.
again i wasnt trying to say ehealth is fake thats why i put the ? after it. i wanted your guys feedback with my results.
here is what im taking currently "lol i got set up with this routine from you over pm a while back"
27 y/o "back surgery and knee surgery" my reasons for taking it. i shoot gh all at once mid day, im currently at 4-4.5 iu a day/7 days a week. im taking test e at about 400 mg/ week. i do know my natural test before starting anything was in the low normal range "220 or 320 cant remember".
i have had 0 sides from jin or kig. when i started h the first 100ius went down without any test, after the first box i started the test and have been on it constantly.
question:
are you using Thyroxine - or T-4?
tread-mOk I remember the name but no specifics, I help with these everyday so they blurrrr. Lol. Well good start I would say, the signs are many here on eroids and here At home with everyone I now know using it. Your low T levels previously may be closer to the norm now which will allow better uptake of hgh. The previous levels of your T may have had your igf range way down and so you are coming up now. Its all guess work without ongoing tests which I know you will do over time. That will provide some answers. As to low T, I only say that because 220 is about where you might expect a 50+ year old to be. Now thats average too because I've seen. 120 something on a 19 year old rescently and even a 400 range on an older guy. Range of test or igf-1 is called reference range rather than a "norm" or abnormal. This is because we are all so different and it is just that, a range. The new test numbers range for testosteron at the high norm are going to be 1100 as was revealed to me by another member the other day. So lets just say the high norm is still 800 right now, you can see how far you are from that which means you can expect your igf was a low norm or low too given those two will balance in the axis. I say keep on keepin on and we look at the numbers over time and see where they go along with test levels. Would have been interesting to know your current test level. That may tell us something as well...do you have them? If not might get both next time. If you were to jump from where you are to 8 iu's, dont do that, Isuspect your hands would be numb in just a few days. Your norm range by the way is 114 -492 at your age so given you had low T for your age and knowing you then had to have had low igf-1 for your age, I would guess based on you test level guess that you have risen as much as 100 poiints in igf. Now thats a guess based on your test guess and would change a bit depending on which number you gave was right. Next time check test and growth and then again down the road. On cycle and I think you will continue to see increases....good luck with it and keep in touch as you go.
tread-mOk I remember the name but no specifics, I help with these everyday so they blurrrr. Lol. Well good start I would say, the signs are many here on eroids and here At home with everyone I now know using it. Your low T levels previously may be closer to the norm now which will allow better uptake of hgh. The previous levels of your T may have had your igf range way down and so you are coming up now. Its all guess work without ongoing tests which I know you will do over time. That will provide some answers. As to low T, I only say that because 220 is about where you might expect a 50+ year old to be. Now thats average too because I've seen. 120 something on a 19 year old rescently and even a 400 range on an older guy. Range of test or igf-1 is called reference range rather than a "norm" or abnormal. This is because we are all so different and it is just that, a range. The new test numbers range for testosteron at the high norm are going to be 1100 as was revealed to me by another member the other day. So lets just say the high norm is still 800 right now, you can see how far you are from that which means you can expect your igf was a low norm or low too given those two will balance in the axis. I say keep on keepin on and we look at the numbers over time and see where they go along with test levels. Would have been interesting to know your current test level. That may tell us something as well...do you have them? If not might get both next time. If you were to jump from where you are to 8 iu's, dont do that, Isuspect your hands would be numb in just a few days. Your norm range by the way is 114 -492 at your age so given you had low T for your age and knowing you then had to have had low igf-1 for your age, I would guess based on you test level guess that you have risen as much as 100 poiints in igf. Now thats a guess based on your test guess and would change a bit depending on which number you gave was right. Next time check test and growth and then again down the road. On cycle and I think you will continue to see increases....good luck with it and keep in touch as you go.
cool thanks tread. you think i should up the gh some? 5 or 6 iu a day? or stick at what im at?
tread-mWhat training are you able to do with the injury, or are you back full on?
no, back wont heal. swimming, all upper body machine equipment. im still hitting the machines very hard and lifting heavy weight. i just cant do any lower body or anything that puts downward pressure on my spine. but like i said im still hitting the upper body on the machines hard, every machine im on i max out. working out everyday.
tread-mWell if you think you can get enough cardio to maintain the bp then I'm not opposed to jumping to 5 iu's. This will increase your ability to uptake more of your test via a higher balance in the axis so bp could try to rise on you if the cardio does not increase with the levels.
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ya i was not trying to conclude it was fake. more asking what you guys were thinking about it. i wish i would of taken a test before i started. well if i had very low to start with do you think im good at the 300+ level or does that mean i should up the does more to get the number higher? im at 4iu/ day.
And you verified the jins on the website right?