+ 1 TRT + HCG + HGH + Metformin + Collagen -- the ultimate anti-aging stack ?
My apologies if this question has been posed before .. but I would appreciate any feedback on using a anti aging stack consisting of the following (for a male fast approaching his 40s)
Testosterone Cyp/Enth EW - 80mg-150mg ( maintaining range of TT @ 600-1200ng/ml)
HCG 500iu 2x EW (for rounding out hormonal support/keeping the boys alive)
Metformin 500mg x2 ED (Non-diabetic dosing, recent studies have shown Metformin to hold dare I say magical life extending properties, including cancer reducing potential)
HGH 2iu to 4ih+/- ED ( maintaining serum igf1 <400ng/ml)
Oral Collagen (boosting collagen synthesis)
Is anyone utlilizing a protocol similar to the one above ? Based on cursory research, I've put together said protocol ... and may execute as a DIY anti aging approach ... any feedback would be very much appreciated.
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@killroy, dude, this "stack" above is typical worldview that, "pharmaceuticals are the answer to a perfect life!" As all of us who know about AAS can attest, good living is all about good living, and the proper use of AAS simply is icing on the cake. However, if you aren't eating and exercising right, you can do all the AAS you want, but you're just playing with fire when you're covered in gas. Bad news.
Super centenarians all have two things in common.
Didn't matter what overall food choices they ate, what religion(s) they were or weren't, smoked or not, drank or not. The field of people studied was super diverse. Those two things were the main criteria they all shared.
You can't be a fat guy and expect to live 100 years, let alone live well.
I'm American, so it's tough to break the mentality that "a fella has to eat small meals all day to keep insulin levels from spiking too much," etc. Plus, fuck it, I like to eat big. However, fasting is an incredible tool to lose weight, to break mental addiction to food, and to simply cleanse your body.
You wouldn't do pushups five times a day, everyday, forever, so why do we constantly work our digestive systems without giving them rest?
Plus, the magic happens between hours 18 to 24. If I understand it correctly, your body jacks up it's natural HGH to help with extracting fatty acids from your adipose tissue. (Translation: burn fat, with HGH also helping in muscle recovery.)
This means, if you lift, fasting for 24 hours once a week actually goes hand in hand with building muscle.
I know this sounds like total bullshit to the "eat big to get big" crowd. Admittedly, I haven't seen any studies on fasting with subjects who are using AAS, so who knows. All the fasting info I've seen is done with guys who report they're natty.
I read the book, "Eat Stop Eat," several years ago. It's a science heavy book all about fasting, so I don't advise it to "bros" who don't want science based info.
We're all here to learn. Just sharing my two cents. Eat clean, lift smart, and don't depend on medicine to be the magical answer to live a life full of rainbows and unicorns. It all starts with diet. Then, get yourself the right woman. But that's a subject for a different day entirely. Carry on brothers.
Well said brother. I experimented with fasting A LOT. Doing a 36h fast once a week, basically not eating a whole day.
Combine that with caffeine or modafinil and your mental clarity and productivity is through the roof, seriously.
I think the "not eating for x hours" brings about catabolism is utter bullshit, while there might be slight muscle breakdown towards the end of your fast, this is easily made up for after your next training session and meal.
Also, fasting is INCREDIBLE for getting into the single bf% without having to starve yourself. Just fast and be productive, then eat big and relax.
Just my 2c
@EagerToLearn, agreed!
Many people say that "food is the most anabolic substance on Earth." By that definition, every person crushing burgers and fries should be swol as fuck.
But no. Want muscle? You gotta lift. What a shocker, if you lift, your muscles respond. If you eat, your adipose tissue responds. Take a break from lifting for a day, your body recovers. Take a break from eating for a day, you don't shrivel up with muscles weaker than a 3rd grader. You're fine.
Now, take a week off from eating? That's different than fasting for a day.
Hell, a 24 hour fast is simple. Eat dinner, then skip breakfast & lunch the next day. Eat dinner with your family that night, don't over eat, and your body will be fine.
As a catchall reply to the feedback below... i am already on TRT via an anti-aging clinic...
And i now realize that i should have phrased my question in a different way... i was looking for any individuals who have personal experience or exposure to doctors who include metformin & hgh in their anti-aging protocols and what their outcomes have been like.
The collagen supplement is OTC ... and something I already include in my supplementation.
The idea of utilizing HGH and low doses of metformin seems very appealing tho on paper.
doctors, ......or quacks ???
JaySteeleI was doing almost the exact sane protocol for 4 or 5 years(more T, more HCG, no collagen), wound up diabetic and questioning the utility ot HGH. I know its not going to be a popular opinion, but cardiomyopathy is hard to argue with and after 20 years of lifting, fifteen years of gear, and consistent heart exams its pretty clear when things thickened up. Everyone is different, of course, and I take Semorelin now because shit, I'm an asshole. Not sure how HGH is anti aging in reality and healthy people but I understand why its used.
I'm not saying anything definitive, only bringing a legit question to the table in regards to HGH and doses typically seen on the boards, etc. I was at 3.6 IU / day for 5+ years straight. Everything from Express Scripts, legit as can be.
JS
I would trade intermittent fasting for metformin. that has incredible life extension benefits among many more things.
also make sure you really stay below 350 igf1, because otherwise you risk subtle changes in your facial bone structure and cartilage tissue in the long term.
Trt sounds good to me, but have you ever thought about taking 25mg of clomid ED? you could see how that makes you feel and if the results are not as wanted you could still take the more drastic measures of trt and hcg, but once you go down that road you pretty much commit yourself. research clomid + secondary hypogonadism.
Good luck!
Blood work, blood work, blood work! I don't think there is such think as a basic protocol for this. Everyone has different levels for each of these things and it needs to be adjusted accordingly to each person. What you would need and what I would need would be two different things.
What are your bloods like right now, specifically test? I've read and heard many things that try to romanticize the benefits of metformin and I've also dug deeper into real research. Based on what I read in legit research I would stay away from it. One main thing that some studies yield is that it can cause an increase in SHBG. The cons outweigh the pros, in my opinion.
Yep. I would only use metformin sparingly during a bulk to help reset insulin sensitivity. I sure wouldn't go using it long term if I wasn't pre-diabetic or diabetic. It can screw with your kidneys also.
Couldn't agree more. It's not something I would use unless absolutely necessary. Especially part of a long term regimen.
The best anti aging protocol is going and seeing your doctor to see if you even need to be on trt. The hgh is self explanatory. The hcg goes hand in hand with the hrt, which you have no idea you even need if you havent seen a doctor. Taking test because you think it will make you feel good is like a junkie taking heroin because it makes them think they feel good. Thats my thoughts.
Good way to put it. Definitely an eye opener.
you are definitely right i was just saying what each thing will do benefit wise assuming that he was posting this knowing he had low test from prior bloods
this is a pretty specific protocol, hopefully someone can chime in here. the hgh will def have some anti aging properties for you.... as well as the test cyp making you feel all around good. im not too sure on the metformin or oral collagen. i would just watch out for your liver while doing that if you plan on running for a long time