Low t and bloods
Hi guys looking for advice I'm 38
Stats are 6ft4
Weight was 260lbs now 225lb
Bf around 12 %
Cycle info
Test e 600pw 1-10
Tren e 400pw 3-10
Mast e 600pw 1-14
Caber 1mg pw
Ai 0.25eod
Pct
HCG 250iu EOD week 16 for 10 days
clomid@100,75,50,50,50,25
Nolva@ 40,40,20,20,20,20
I've ran a similar cycle to this before with same sups and pct, only issue I think could be poor quality caber and pct, as my usual source ran out of pharma grade so I used ug stuff, this was roughly 3-4 months ago ago I redid pct with pharma grade but alas nothing
My symptoms are low libido muscle and joint pain and generally can't be arsed to train, my standard bloods from docs ie liver, kidneys gfr and blood Count are all good, so I can only assume its test related so here's the bloods guys if anyone can help
Proteins
Albumin 39.5 g/L (Range: 35 - 50)
SHBG 39.1 nmol/L (Range: 18.3 - 54.1)
Hormones
Hormone Phase Men Phase
FSH X 1.42 IU/L (Range: 1.5 - 12.4)
LH 6.94 IU/L (Range: 1.7 - 8.6)
Oestradiol X 31.5 pmol/L (Range: 41 - 159)
Testosterone X 7.7 nmol/L (Range: 8.64 - 29)
Free Testosterone - Calc. X 0.138 nmol/L (Range: 0.2 - 0.62)
Free Androgen Index X 19.69 Ratio (Range: 24 - 104)
Prolactin X 336 mU/L (Range: 86 - 324)
Adrenal Hormones
DHEA Sulphate 4.000 umol/L (Range: 2.41 - 11.6)
My prolactin is slightly high and lh is normal range, just some advice on what can do and if you think I'm right about it
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You should talk to a Doc. Could try a round of HCG and HMG. Your E2 isa low also...work on that too. HCG you need 2000 IU's EOD used with DHEA it is powerful, but you have to control the bloat.
Im super confused by this. His LH is in range post PCT. Don’t you think a suppressive amount of HCG would risk fucking that up?
Seems like he just needs time to me. We use HCG to send the signal to the balls to work, but his body’s already doing that. The problem is his balls aren’t responding well enough to the signal yet. That should fix itself over time. If it doesn’t, I agree, it’s time to see a doc.
Also, why HCG and HMG together? Isn’t that kind of like wearing two pairs of glasses? Except one of the pairs is missing a lens? HCG mimics the LH signal. Where HMG sends the signal for LH and FSH. His body is doing both already tho (although a little low on FSH, but that could have been time of day), so I’m not sure why you’d use either in this situation.
To the OP: you did things a little goofy. I’d just give it time. It can take up to a year. If it’s already been a while then get to a doctor.
Do you think my slightly raised prolactin is anything to worry about or should I just leave it? Am I right in assuming that my test being down like this is why I feel so shit
It could definitely have something to do with it. High prolactin causes low t, and could be why your FSH is a little low but your LH isn’t. It could also have little to do with it, as it’s barely out of range. This is a big reason you should go to the doctor (if it was way high I’d say run to doc, but it’s not bad according to the range you posted). That and the fact that you PCT’d twice and your balls don’t seem to be responding, even tho your producing LH on the upper end and FSH on the lower end. Or again, the FSH could just be a random snapshot and maybe that’s normally in mid range... this stuff gets complicated.
Id get to a doc and talk about it. In theory a very low dose of caber would knock you down to mid range levels to see if it helped your balls respond after a few weeks, but that’s not really something we should be playing with ourselves... and if it didn’t work you’d be heading to the doc anyway so you might as well just start there.
Has it been 3-4 months since ur second PCT or 3-4 months since you’ve been off cycle? I really think you just need a little more time but I get wanting to straighten it out ASAP. I just wouldn’t try to do it on ur own.
As far as why you feel like shit, it’s probably a combo of the low test, low e2 and high PRL... I doubt it’s just one thing. Ie. If you started injecting test and ur prolactin was still high you’d likely just be causing more problems.
I’d go make an appointment, buddy.
Dude just a question is low test really this painful, my joints and muscles hurt, and me and missus managed to do it couple times this week and now I hurt more
That sounds more like low e2, which is probably caused by your low t. Hey man, at least you can still get it up. Lol that’s a win
Anything you could think of that might help, or just a cause of waiting for my docs to give me an appointment
Beet juice for your dick. And make sure you’re getting everything you need vitamin wise for your body to produce hormones. Zinc, vitamin d, healthy fats, etc.
I wouldn’t do much else til you talk to a doc.
Well dude bit of news my doc is re testing me but he says low esto does not matter in men(good old NHS docs have no clue) but hopefully will get referred to and endo
Ugh. That sucks. Good luck man. Hopefully endo is right
Dude got all results back test was 16.9 which is not as high as would like but he said all was normal and won't refer me even though he didn't check my e2, do you think the e2 could follow the test
That’s good though you’re climbing back. The e2 should follow and start to come up. Just make sure you’re not taking anything that would inhibit e2. It should come back around. It can take months to come back and it sounds like you’re getting really close.
Cool cheers dude ill wait and see, I might get bloods done private again in marcb
I think that’s a good idea.
No problem at all boss.
Well dude I been diagnosed with fibromyalgia which sucks, Dr has put me on tramadol at mo and said will see how they go for 2 weeks but might end up with nerve blockers aswell I think he said
Dude maybe a silly question but how long can natural recovery take, I've been taking vitabiotics which I seem to be feeling bit better but only been 3 days on them, am thinking give it couple weeks on them see how I go, I managed to get in with docs for 18th jan
Lol it takes a lot of effort dude, I told her she will have to wait tell I'm better for more cause omg it can get really painful
Cheers dude, solid advice I'll see if can get in at docs, cycle prob was just over 4 months ago finished