posted Wed, 01/18/2012 - 12:15
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Injecting trt dose sub-q
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Has anyone tried injecting their trt weekly dose using a insulin pin? Instead of using 200mg test c in two or one shot, injecting 50mg eod sub-q 4 times per week? Supposedly it helps keep e2 in a very steady level and also there are no ups and downs less mood changes etc. Has anyone here tried it? Any idea if the risk for abscess is still the same with such low ml doses?
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mazarSaid i was going to try it in a week but as always curiosity got the better of me and i pinned the first pin yesterday. The oil was easy to push through a 27g i didn't get the slightest sensitivity or pip, no redness nothing not even a tinny mark. I pinned around 62.5mg/0.25ml of test e and so far so good. I have noticed a slight change but i wont comment yet cause it is too early. I can already see the benefits pinning wise no scarring, no blood, no aspirating and all in all it was the smoothest test pin i ever had.
So anyone doing this? Sounds interesting.
It seems that women that want to be men inject their test sub-q.There are a few youtube videos showing women doing this.It also seems to be the way most hrt doctors in Canada are doing it.Also,there was a study done where they actually ended up having to lower the dosage because the testosterone blood levels went higher than they wanted.I did a google search and came up with this information.Interesting.Who's first?lol
mazarI am going to give it a go either this week or the next. Will try to go for 3-4 weeks. I read that total test will be lower you might need less cause of the steady test levels or thats what i was aiming for.
Here is a link to the article I read.It has a bunch of different studies.Study #51 is the one I was referring to. http://proactivealternatives.com/testosterone/5th%2520World%2520Congress...
So would you be better switching to a prop ester then? Or does that not matter.
mazarMy worry with the short ester is going over the top with the dose. I was hoping to use less by pinning sub-q and also maybe stop the AI altogether if levels are stable enough. Also with sub-q there is no scarring so you could pin ed no problems with IM there is the scarring issue using a short ester will defeat the purpose.
Yes you can use an insulin needle but from expierience man use a 27 guage needle, its a pain in the ass loading it with a 29g. Also you are correct more frequent smaller doses is ALWAYS better, it has a smaller peak and trouph than doing a once weekly. Ive read somwhere about a TRT doctor in Georgia who administers test cype sub q top his patients and had to end up using like 25mg more "which is no big deal" to achieve stable blood levels. Thier are several reasons subq is better trt, some are afraid it will make more estrogen cuase your injecting test cype into fat or under skin thats right next to fat and it will aromatize but since the testosterone molecule is attached to an ester it wont, but people who use testogels have to problem of testosterone converting to esrogen while passing thrue the epidermal fat layer.
mazarSounds good on paper i must say i will have to give it a shot i guess. What i read is that it keeps the e2 much more stable so it is easier to stay within that sweet spot. I dont think there is an issue with the test aromatizing just cause it is injected in the fat. If anything happens it will be that we might metabolize it faster but frequent injections should short that out. Thanks for the info very valuable. I will keep the +25mg in mind as well
AnonI leave anything my fat layer and lumps the fuck up bad.....real bad!!
mazarThats my main worry dont want to have a warm lump there for weeks that would suck
Anonthe only problem I have with that is that subq into the fatty tissue doesn't always release uniformly and may leave "pockets" that is released "later" ... fatty tissue just doesn't have the best release rate in my opinion.. now if you are lean enough that is different but I would imagine that you might be more prone to abscess.
mazarIt is released faster if anything but what you say makes sense its fat at the end of the day. Didnt think that you can get those pockets good point there
An insulin pin is something like 29ga, ...........your going to need to super heat the oil to get it to go.
jasonhpull the plunger off the insulin syringe. load the test with a 22 gaugle needle shot it in the insulin syringe(leave some air and room in it) carefully put plunger back in syringe turn up syringe tap air to top and push air out ready to use!
This isn't correct, but surprisingly common that people think this. I use 30 gauge insulin pins for my Test Cyp. I put the needle in before getting in the shower and pull back and hang it from a toothbrush holder before I get in. When I get out, it is full and I do my injection. Test is stored at room temperature. It takes about a minute for it to load.
The small diameter also makes injection times very quick. 0.5 mL is about 10 seconds into deltoid and teardrop.
Aren't insulin pins usually one piece? So you use the same to draw and pin, correct? Have you had any issues with it getting dull from drawing the test prior to the shot? I'm down with trying smallest needle possible! lol just worried it might get dull.
No needle dulling issues at all. I reuse my slin pins (I'm a cheap bastard and they're difficult to obtain in my state, sadly). I can usually use a pin for 3-4 days injecting daily (going into the vial and into my skin, so two jabs per day really) before it gets too dull or, more likely, the needle starts to bend at the base.
Anonyes they are only one piece.. draw and pin.. I mix my peptides so some days I draw twice.. it isn't like pinning with a regular hypodermic needle.. basically if you want to pin you are just going to have to suck it up.
mazarWhats the carrier used for your test c? 30g sounds very small i got some pharma amps that seem impossible to get through 30g. Does your cyp consist of eo or just gso?
I use Watson's Test Cyp. Admittedly, this is the only experience I have personally with using insulin pins with Test. I can definitely see some variation in the viscosity, but I am a member of another site with a pretty knowledgeable steroid crowd, and there are many guys there that use insulin pins for the majority of their gear. I am starting an AAS blast cycle with Test Prop and Tren Ace in the next week and am planning to use insulin pins for that as well, so I will report back on whether I have the same success.
mazarYep not saying it is not possible but i would guess it will be a tiny drop at a time kind of thing. Keep us updated in your cycle really interested how short esters work with sub-q. Whats the maximum dose you can pin with an insulin pin? Can you go over 100mg per ester?
Oops forgot to answer the second part of your question. I haven't seen slin pins with a barrel larger than 0.5 mL, which is the only drawback. I'd like to see 1.0 mL.
As for the esters, I have injected 100 mg/mL Tren Ace and 200 mg/mL Test Cyp (pharmaceutical grade). Both are fine. I like the higher concentration stuff since you can get more weight in at a time.
It doesn't "drip out"...the small barrel of the slin pin creates such an intense vaccum that it basically boils out. It isn't like turning on a faucet. My Watson's Test Cyp takes about 2 minutes to load 0.5 mL (200 mg/mL). The actual injection time is 10-12 seconds.
I'm currently using Tren Ace (100 mg/mL) and injecting it as well using insulin pins. Fill time is much lower, like 15-20 seconds for 0.5 mL. Injection time is similar depending on how hard you press (I don't press hard cause the ace buuuuuuuurns).
I don't inject SC though, all of them are IM. The 0.5" needle is just enough to get into my deltoids, tear drops, and upper quads (I am very lean in all these areas). It is probably a shallow IM, but IM nonetheless (I don't get the pockets of oil like I do if injecting SC, which I have tried).
Hope this helps. Bottom line--don't knock it till you tried it. There is a ton of "bro knowledge" out there saying you can't use insulin pins--these bros are not good to listen to and are flat out wrong.
mazar27g or 29g but i bet in both cases it will need a tonne of pressure. If i give it a go i will make sure i heat it up
I thought you could only inject im
mazarSame here but i ve seen a lot of posts online with people splitting their dose and pinning it sub-q whats why i asked here. Anything more than 100mg is a waste but for small dosages supposedly it works.