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+ 1 37yrs Total T 162ng/dL ..3 doctors 1 endo can anyone help plase

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Hi I just join the site i what u call ..dummie ,,,nubie...im starting by apologizing for my bad english is not my lenguaje ill try to be as clear as posible.

In 2011 i was 310lbs size 42 in pants my man boobs where huge like its ben al off my chillhood after geting lab tests my Total testosterone was 306ng/dL ...i started a diet low carb low calorie....i manage to drop 90lbs in 4 months whith just diet and over the counter pills....after i fell the difence and decide to join the gym i lost more weigth till i hit 189lbs....

then i star my first cycle 50mg of winstrol for 50 days no pct no labs....ignoring for complete from where or what it was going to do to my body....but i fell strong and tranform my body and i felt even better but i start to notice my ED to be more and more constant....i wait 4 monts and did it again exact same cycle no pct no labs......my ED was the same bad but i was able to have erections ...and in the search of more i came across "T400" and star a cycle 400mg a week of test and 200mg deca a week no anti estrogens and no pct no labs......after my cycle ends thats wen i hit the floor.....i did not get an ereccion for months.....and wen i did it was with help from another blue pill....then i start to read and read and read again....i try to edacute my self of what was happening to me...so I stop the juice and focus on naturally bring back my "T" i toke me abouth a year to recover fully....i never abandone the 5 day a week workout and eating clean then i return to the juice this time a bit more educated....

dbol 50mg ed for 4 weeks and test e 500 mg a week...tren ace 200mg a week....exemastane 12.5 ed for 12 weeks and 4 weeks extra on exemastane as a pct....let me tell you i felt like i never felt before....i was able to see my abs :-)....my life dream come true for the first time....then....... the crash....i guess the word SUPPRESSION did not raise any flags on me my fault..... i felt completelly the oposite
so depress i thought about killing my self ever since i have try to boost my "T"naturally or with over the counter stuff...DAA...ZMA all kinds of pills and powders and the only thing i boost y my liver enzymes
to 3 times the normal level...so after a year clean of unknown pills a powders i decide to visit a doctor the another and another doctor and finally this doc did some labs, and refere me to a endocrinologyst which happens to tag me as steroid abuser...after a bit of confrontation he agree to hrt but only once enery 3 weeks at the office (very inconvinient for the distance to my house )or androgel,, i refuse bouth ,,we agree on a revision of my case after 4 weeks on clomid ed @50mg....since i know my body better then him i did include 25mg of nolvadex ed....so thats where i am today....im able to have an poor erection maybe twice a week in the morning only after a well rest nigth and th libido is none existing..:-(.. i need an advice on whats next.....he is telling me is going to take a minimun of 7 months before i see any improvements of any .....i dont think is going to go for hrt... how can i bring my "T" up to good levels? what protocol you recomend? frecuency? what type of anti estrogen? if any......i will love to be able to incorporate some tren if posible every now and then to my hrt......the benefits and changes in my life with tren are undeniables.....

im a very positive person ill take any help positive a negative is ok....i need to save my marriage from the lack libido and the ED....and in the process heve a better life quality....thanks in advance every one

boostedsilvia's picture

I recommend the DR MICHAEL SCALLY PCT.

ivan78's picture

very educational....thanks .....im impress with the collective knowledge in here

boostedsilvia's picture

No problem man

MedDx's picture

FR sent. Whats done, is done. Since doc knows about steroid use, i believe the protocol initiated is sound. You could ask him about an 8 week treatment (Rx) course of low dose hCG. The effectivenes of all three drugs may help boost your hpta and get u back on track...

ivan78's picture

thanks......how much hCG do you think is ok? frecuency?...so i get an idea to talk to him

eastcoastmuscle's picture

i was just put on hcg 3,000 iu 3x per week mon,wed,fri also was put on hmg 175iu 3x per week mon,wed,fri

ivan78's picture

thanks ,,,now i get a better idea

MedDx's picture

The doc knows u and ur history better than myself. So, the hCG dose and freq is your docs call, not mine! Smile There are several ways to use it....

MedDx's picture

we agree on a revision of my case after 4 weeks on clomid ed @50mg....since i know my body better then him i did include 25mg of nolvadex ed..

How many.weeks on clomid and nolva at these doses?

ivan78's picture

3 or 4 max....just for the record the nolvadex is someting I add on my own is only been a week since y started

MedDx's picture

What week are you in with clomid and nolva right now?

ivan78's picture

today will be my 8 day on it....

MedDx's picture

Ask ur doc if u can extend clomid to 6 wks. Then, get another set of labs....ohhhh and either inform the doc u are taking nolvadex, or stop it. The doc needs to know u are either using it, or stopped using and when you.stopped it. He is ur doc..he needs to know...:)

ivan78's picture

thanks for the advice...ill stop the nova today and imforme my endo.....any other ideas? will hgh improve any? and the other set of labs of the same kind is suficient? or i need to add someting else vit D,dhea etc..?

MedDx's picture

You could ask ur endo if nolva can be started...but other than that i dont have any other ideas at present time... get back on track before u start anything else...please...yes other set of labs will be find with what u have...you could put a CBC and a CMP into the existing bloodwork for next time....maybe...its optional...

ivan78's picture

ok...ill promise to follow advice.....but on the same thought the highest y ever got naturally was 306ng/dL thats before any gear ever....is that a level adecuate to go on a anabolic cycle? can i go on hgh? after i get to my max natural level 306?

MedDx's picture

306 is low for your age and if ur doc thinks u would benefit from TRT, then u will.get that answer after the BW comes back post Clomid Rx...and hCG/Nolva if doc prescribes it.

To.answer ur question...u dont have to have a certain total Test level to cycle AAS or use hgh.

Take one day at a time....you will get where.u are supposed to.be..... :)..patience brother

zeusmarada's picture

+1 for this, @MedDx. One day at a time, indeed, and we all get to where we need to be.

ivan78's picture

i will definetly post all of my journey i hope this helps
at least some one like me....sorry if i sound
desperate.....but i want to feel better....and i know
this is the place....

irongame427's picture

I agree, this isnt your typical pct, it needs to be aggressive. 6 weeks min, if it was me id probably be going 8. Or try the 4 weeker with nolva and clomid get bloods 4 weeks after you finish that one. If that doesnt work do a short stint on hcg and then try another pct something like toremfine citrate with either nolva or clomid, aromaisin in a low dose can help, triptorelin etc. Theres many options, you just have to be patient if your goal is not to be on trt. It could take a while to bring your levels back, just like how your doc said 7 months or so, id say 6-12, but everyone is different, you may recover quick, or it may take long. Just give it time.

MedDx's picture

Yep...nice info brother..

ivan78's picture

thanks you and evereryone to take the time to read and answer......

ivan78's picture

@bigmurph thanks for your advice but i live far away from a big city and the drive is not posible as once a week.....but if there is no other choice i will look in to moving closer to the city with my family....but is going to take some time...

ivan78's picture

my current labs are:

Testosterone total 162 ng/dL
free testosterone 47 pg/mL
Estradiol 17 pg/mL
Prolactin 12 ng/mL
Cortisol 11.3 ug/dL
SHBG 19 nmol/L
FSH 5.4 mIU/mL
LH 4.8 mIU/mL
TSH 2.8 mIU/mL
T4 6.8 ug/dL
T3 118 ng/dL
free T4 1.1 ng/dL

Stats
Age: 37
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 225
BF: 25%

as for working with mi endo.....well he treatme like a junkie like extreme case of steroid abuse he did not even let me talk abouth other options after i visit him i fell hopeless..... as for rigth now im going to see if the clomid and nolvadex help me and we go from there.....thanks