posted Thu, 07/20/2017 - 01:55
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1 injection every 10-14wks for trt
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Is anyone using this product for trt. Its made by the largest pharma company around.
I've been reading alot about it and the claims that are made seem way to good to be true.
1 injection every 10-14wks taking 4ml at once in a very heavy carrier oil that is supposed to be the trick to make it last this long. It also has an undecanoate ester which im sure helps drag out the release but 10wks. Im not sure if im a believer. Can anyone tell me that this product works. Im very curious about running it for trt if I hear good feedback about it.
Thanks brothers
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I used it for a bit a few years back,when a pharmacy we are not allowed to name was still operating.I liked it OK but still felt I needed to pin every two weeks to ten days to feel right.It was very expensive compared to cyp,and the version I was getting compounded crashed regularly.I ended up switching back to cyp or enanthate,for me it was more bang for my buck.
I appreciate the feedback it wasn't the name brand that crashed was it?
Im guessing a compound pharmacy
No it was a compounding pharmacy.It was also a little higher dosed than name brand per cc.
If I remember correctly vhman uses this for his trt
Thanks brother i will reach out to him
toto34The product is called Nebido but it is very unpopular and little administered by the endocrinos .. the sure value remains the testo enanthate ... with the nebido the hormonal flucatuation risks being too constraining
Did you also know most of the real sus blends out there have this esther in it? And a lot of people start their pct 14 days out when in reality if you use the real sus you have to wait 21-30 days after last inject?
My endo is a sharp cookie, he has me on weekly injections and said he would swap me over to pure decoanate if I wanted. I kindly said no, it would fuck my cycles.
Couldn't you just always use the deconate as a "base" and put your cycles on top of it at a lower dose to compensate?
On paper yes, the problem is you have the ramp up. Test is test, but the carbon chain makes it react differently.
Yea, and that would be a weird transition. You'd have to taper down on one as you started the other during the switch over. I see what you're saying. That could get messy.
Indeed, roller coaster ride from hell, training in the gym crying one second, laughing the next, screaming in anger the next lol.
Yep I just ran sust and I won't again I don't like having to deal with the stages of build up of testosterone. I do like that you taper down while coming off but its not a compound that I enjoyed running. I prefer a test e.
I have just been really looking into the options out there for trt and reading about this particular product made me wonder if the claims they make are true. Im hoping that maybe someone is using it for trt and I can hear what they think about it compared to trt with test c or e or even the gels or pellets.
I've read about this and saw the studies. The levels stayed in range (of course they were paid for by the large company that makes it). That being said, they also say 1000mg's a shot... what about the people that need more/less. And this is from the same pharma industry that says you can shoot test cyp once every two weeks... Maybe the ester is a good idea, but maybe every 2 weeks at a lower dose instead...
ie. if you'd be taking 120/wk of cyp split in 2 shots, take the ester weight away (69mg per 100 with cyp) and that would be ~83mg per week of pure test per week. 166 every two weeks.
To get 166mgs of test from undecanoate (61mg per 100 minus the ester) you would need 272.13mg.
So maybe if you were to use undecanoate every two weeks @275 you'd have pretty steady levels and less injections?
Obviously this is pure theory, but in theory it could work.
Thats exactly right the company paid for the study and to me that means they paid for the results.
I would like to hear feedback from someone who uses undecanoate because your theory is my thought and definitely makes sense.
I just figured someone has to be using it
They claim you can take enanthate every two weeks but you'll never keep stable levels like that. I'm a firm believer in two injections a week on cruise or cycle. They also say the patches and gels work but they don't.
You are correct i believe that my panthlet for the same companies test e reads an injection every 10 days
Gels work great if you want to be around 600 ng/dl
I have only heard bad things about the gels are you happy using them?
No not really.I always thought they were too expensive.I was getting a compounded version and was doing 150 mg twice a day and reached 600.I prefer test cyp.
I think a lot of us end up back on Cyp. I'm my case I'm certain that's what caused my low T. I started way to early. Now I'm blasting and cruiseing again in my 50s. I feel great and my bloods always come back good. I do avoid tren and most orals.
Pretty much same boat.I love tren but regret using it.I'm trying to have a child now and I'm having to take hcg and clomid for three months now.I seem to be getting some natural levels back but who known.I take more test in september.Truth is I just hope for a high enough sperm count for invitro for my wife and then back to blasting and cruising again.Im 48 so it kind of a late in life thing already but happy wife happy life.
Gotcha
I never was anywhere close to that on andro gel.
Yeah andro gel was a dud for me as well,plus to take the dose to get to a proper level it was not cost effective.I was doing a compounded version 150mg twice a day and got me to that level.It was much more cost effective as well.The compounded version was only about $100 a month.That's still quite high compared to test cyp.
Undec has been around for years. in the 90's it was tested clinically via IM at 1Kmg x 1 shot; which elevated test levels and they stayed within normal ranges for 49 days. Anything that limits the peak and prolongs the time to reach the lowest end of normal is a good thing.
Have you ever read the research on this specific product and the claims. They make claims that to me just seem to good to be true.
Sam said above that they also claim that there test e is supposed to be inj e10d but we all know that isn't going to keep your blood levels stable. Im curious if anyone is actually using this specific product and how are they using it.
Staying in range for 49 days is pretty good they claim that with the much heavier carrier oil which I believe is castor oil they can extend the life of the test undecanoate.
this is a quote:
Serum testosterone levels should be measured before start and during initiation of treatment. Depending on serum testosterone levels and clinical symptoms, the first injection interval may be reduced to a minimum of 6 weeks as compared to the recommended range of 10 to 14 weeks for maintenance. With this loading dose, sufficient steady state testosterone levels may be achieved more rapidly.
Ive only read the pamphlet and the Irish site which is basically the pamphlet plus some info like this, not much difference
I read about it recently, but I remember something about frontloading which would get test base level up first before steadystate, it was on an Irish site, if I can find the link I will ping it to you
I appreciate that
srt8caliwhat product bro?
I can't post the name or company but below he has thats what im talking about
What's the name of the product?Undeconate is the nibido but usually 1cc every three weeks.Ive also seen the pellets but the people I know on them get crazy around the time to get them re- done.
When I read the panthlet for it though it claims inj every 10-14wks. Im wondering if anyone is using it like this