posted Sun, 01/20/2013 - 17:58
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How long did PIP last for you after your first Pin? Pinned Friday and Delt is still a little sore. Worked shoulders today thinking it would help with the soreness.
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AnonI remember first hitting my delts with veyron prop..worst week ever..hit it again fully recovered and few weeks later still sore for half the amount of time,around the clock pain...shit has to be done though!
I can only offer the advise I had to learn. When pinning in the upper thigh for example, massage your thigh before pinning, a good minute or two. Next if your not using two needles then this is a no no.. One needle to draw from, then another for the pin.Trick, Very important let the oil get on the head of the needle just a bit, your gonna wanna get the air bubbles out of it anyways, trust me it's gonna make it smoother.
Finally, go slow, and slower, squeeze, and pull it out.
NOW, after a cotton swab, massage the area well. And massage the area well.. Can't stress this enough, tell me how ya feel when you do this.. Guarantee it'll be alot less PIP then you've experienced.
1) all this massaging stuff, either pin the gear or don't
2) it's not the biggest deal of you draw and shoot with the same needle. I just started using an 18 to draw since I pin with 25s. Couldn't take the 3 minute pulling on the vial. Prior to that I always draw and shot with the same pin.
3) A lot of needles actually have lubrication on them. Not all, but most people don't even know that
4) injecting air is not only not harmful in small amounts but is actually used as a method to seal the medication in and is used by the medical community
http://books.google.com/books?id=g2eqHcnm1W4C&pg=PT822&lpg=PT822&dq=air+...
5) if pip is really that bad, which I would bet it's really not, get yourself some grapeseed oil and a whatman syringe filter and make some sterile oil to cut your gear with. Although I would personally recommend just getting used to it and accepting it as part of your life ;) no one said beauty was pain free..
Heat broski! Heat helps every step of the way. I warm the oil before pinning. Keep the injection site warm after the fact. I believe that pip gets worse in the winter. It could totally be in my head but either way its helping me! :-)
Good info on the air bubbles. I was under the impression that air was potentially deadly. Good shit Juice!
CleyonAgreed, keeping things warm is the only thing I've ever found that makes a difference.
Great advice guys really appreciate the feedback. Has given me a piece of mind knowing some of you get this hardcore too. Thanks again guys!
Pip doesn't bother me so much. It's the DIP (During injection pain) that's been fuckin with me. Spasms, twitching, burning, electric shock feelings, plunger stopping dead like im injecting into a brick. I must have some serious scar tissue and nerve damage from pinning so long
That shit is the worst... I thought I was gonna snap the pin in my delt one time it started spasming so bad
This is why I use a 27g pin when possible. Super slow pushing of the plunger. Even a 25g sometimes sends the oil in too fast if I'm not careful. I use a lot if gear with EO so pushing through a 27 isn't a big deal. Trouble is finding 27 x 1-1/4". I've found ONE place that has them. But in the future ,if you feel the spasms coming (I know when they're coming now) stop pushing and just give it a second. I wait for it to stop and proceed slowly. Sometimes this doesn't work but sometimes it does. If I hit heavy scar tissue and its hard as hell to push, I'll retract the needle ever so slightly (1/8" to 3/16") and continue. This helps immensely.
That's been happening to me lately as well its like stages of rough as I'm pinning like its popping through scar tissue almost and the other day I think I actually injected through my tendon lol cuz dam did I limp for a coupe days and the pain wrapped down my quad around my knee and into my shins. I had the eeb geeb E's when I thought about going thru my tendon lol.
fuck going through scar tissue, that shit hurts
First pin pip lasted a good week. Had my limpin. I think they call it the sustanon shuffle
Right on good insight. I was worried it was lasting longer than a few days.
First pin in the delt? Try the glutes bro cuz PIP there doesn't interfere with day to day life as much. And do what cheatnnature said and heat an rub it stretch it. Just keep it moving. BUt try the glutes 23 gauge 1 1/2 pin.
My next shot will be in the glutes I only have 1" pins tho. You think that'll work? My next pin is Tuesday
Mine lasted about 3-4 days. Use a hot pad it will relax the muscle and disperse the oil quicker.
Thanks man! Appreciate it I'll try hot pad