posted Sun, 07/02/2023 - 17:53
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+ 2 Is anyone else freaked out about Jo Lindner/jo aesthetics death?
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I am 7 years older then this guy running a pretty decent size cycle. Cant help but become a little paranoid about my age and steroid use. Has anyone heard of anything like this?
I knew a phlebotomist in Florida that drew his own blood to help with high hematocrit after a work out. Took a nap and never woke up. Thats the only early death i knew PERSONALLY from this type of life.
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I’m sorry I missed your question bro, yeah, if you’re otherwise healthy, I can see absolutely no reason to take an unnecessary risk. I had Covid before I was vaccinated. It wasn’t great, I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone, but I’ve had worse colds. The first strain was dangerous, the following were just an inconvenience. Coronavirus has been around forever, this stuff isn’t new, it’s a flu. This one was tampered with. It’s not complicated.
this is between you guys but do you think it does absolutely nothing for protection? I mean I have seen folks vaccinated get covid again and it messes them up and I've also seen folks that are vaccinated get covid and only have mild symptoms. I've seen both cases, if I only saw one case I'd understand a little better.
Take this for what you want but I have worked at some major hospital system in two big cities we have data on the people who are hospitalized with COVID and whether or not they were vaccinated or not. 96% of the population hospitalized were NOT vaccinated and the death rate was almost 100 times more if unvaccinated. To me that was enough information I needed to make an informed consent. I am a person who didn't believe in the flu vaccine because being young the flu most likely won't kill you but I know get it be suse I am in the field of medicine. You can make up your own mind but the stats and information I have seen made sense. When we put our number together with all hospital systems in our state it was still around 95% of non vaccinated were hospitalized. So 95 out of 100 people in the hospital did not get the vaccine.
It took me 3 years to get it after working in COVID wards and the only time I got it was when I skipped my booster longer then I should have. So that also reinforced the vaccine for me.
I can imagine that when you have tried to save and help many people first hand in hospitals who chose not to get vaccinated, and as a result died of Covid that this is an extremely difficult conversation to have. Thankyou for no doubt helping and saving many people during those horrific times and risking your own life in the process
I'll say this while trying to be private, if you know you know. The whole covid situation from the start was a disaster no doubt. Doctors where left clueless, Yes they were. To put it in perspective...nurses are quitting left and right everyday all day due to burn out, which I don't blame them for. As far as the vaccine, there will always be arguments for or against but facts can't be argued. Even if we don't like certain facts.
Not a vaccine if you can continue to get the illness after said vaccine.
In general, most vaccines do not completely prevent infection but do prevent the infection from spreading within the body and from causing disease. Just because you get a vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting an infection ( Johns Hopkins)
Na chicken pox, measles vaccines that prevent you from getting or spreading. That is a vaccine. This Covid and flu shot are just shots don’t prevent nor protect you or anybody else from anything. Hey you take your shots and I will not take them. Love America.
That's kinda where I was going with this. Vaccines aren't 100% effective, in fact I think the flu vaccine is what 60- 70% effective. Meaning there's still chances that you'll contact the flu and we aren't even mentioning another mutated strain of the flu. Not defending any vaccination especially a rushed covid vaccine but those are just known facts. If someone feels a certain way about these covid vaccinations then so be it. I got other things to worry about...like my testosterone lol!
Yes, but the thing is we don't have people who predict the future which is what a 100% flu vaccine would have to be a future predicted. They predict which one will be most relevant this season and there are 100s to choose from so being 70% is still pretty dam good. Also would you rather get the flu and be sick and possibly get pneumonia or get vaccinated and most likely not get it. Granted if you are young and in good health under 25 I would get it do to the fact you should fight it off easily. But for people older and immunocompromised a flu shot can be life or death which to me is something great to have.
I've had plenty of flu shots. Never had an issue with those flu shots. That 70% or so has did well for me.
This is me. I trust the guys who go to school for a decade or more over a financial analyst (Dr David Martin). I trust the science -right or wrong because to pretend most even slightly understand how these things work is disingenuous. Most people, including on here, are practicing bro scientists. Me, I'll go with the real scientist
+1 I appreciate your response man. I just asked for a opinion that's all lol. So it's strange because like I said some get the shot and don't show any symptoms or slightly show symptoms when exposed to corona. And others get sick as hell once exposed, yet they still are vaccinated. Strange situation
I appreciate you being at least open minded and not closed minded. I use to be skeptical I will admit before schooling and me loving to learn. Once I actually read information and understood it, it all makes more sense. You will see how long it takes to develop cures to help save people. Yes big pharma has money in it but if it doesn't work then no money is to be made. You have to also put into a count the human body. Think of it like you do steroids, why do some get tren sides and some don't?,. Why do some get swole off anadrol but others don't get nothing? It is the way our body works or adapts to things. Some people might have a immune system of a broken down car where you Dee have a immune system of a we will say BMW M8. And Can beat anything you drag race except for a few super cars out there. Hopefully that makes some sense as to why so e don't get it or get little symptoms and others get a little worse.
My bad, this entire Covid/shot thing really boils my blood. I think shot or no shot doesn’t matter. I think if you have health issues it will exacerbate those issues. Basically kill off the weak. And the shots bring on another host of issues, all sorts of clotting issues etc.
Nahh you're good. I was speaking in general, not about you. You know we're always good smoke. Damn...kill off the weak. Never thought of it that way. Harsh but true.
I love the hard turn you took when your own “medical facts” didn't support your narrative. But to answer your question.
YES, god damnit! This was a virus created by the chinese military. We are beyond lucky that omicron was more contagious and less severe. If the virus became more severe, the world would of been in a lot of trouble.
Not the point of this conversation; but it’s worth inserting here, that the virus may have been created in China, but it was funded by the USA, and possibly other countries & corporations, as well. I make the distinction, only because I don’t love identity politics, not to be nitpicky.
Are you Pro Vax or Anti Vax mate?
If it offers almost zero protection and the risk of side effects is higher then zero. being a healthy male you would be practically unaffected by covid, why get the shot? is your logic that, the small amount of protection might be worth the risk? if your not a fat old person there's absolutely no reason to take it no matter what.
Rustyhookerum no it wasnt.....
https://www.eroids.com/forums/general/off-topic/just-happend-covid-facts
I made no hard turn, and a death caused by the vaccine is a death caused by the vaccine. I can prove facts all day, it’s not hard to do. Granted there was speculation when the vaccine first came out, and maybe that was right or wrong, that falls under opinion. But deaths caused by the vaccine falls under medical FACT. And please keep in mind, we’re not very far into long term ramifications of what may occur from these injections. Many people have already eaten their words over this virus as time has gone on, don’t be one of them. Remember when they told us the virus came from some chinaman in the middle of nowhere that didn’t cook the bat he was having for dinner past medium rare? Remember when they told us to not wear masks? Remember when they said there was no chance of the virus being airborne? Cmon my guy, you’re just looking to argue, argue from those knees you spend your life on instead of manning up and having a spine.
Hey, sorry this got messy. I think your well written and responded because your clearly intelligent. I didn't bother with most people here.
You posted a study where 9 people died for johnson and johnson vaccine. In posting a study that shows the vaccine saved 3 MILLION. Its great you have a spine but its not much good if its not connected to a brain. Your medical knowledge is weak at best but theres a reason nobody takes your medical advice seriously.
https://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/news/2022/COVID-Vaccines-Prevented-3...
RustyhookerYoure mentally challenged. Your last time on eroids was the same shit. Hahaha
+1 I've heard of folks having issues for sure man. As far as myself, the family and folks that I know that did recieve at least one shot, no one seems to have had any issues but other folks on news have reportedly have had issues. Just putting out the good with the bad my brothers. But yeah folks have died from blood clots just like folks have died from a reckless gear lifestyle, hell one of my best friends as a youngster passed due to his reckless gear usage, not saying either is the case with this dude. Just sad to see young folks go.
I hate going here but most of the bad info that comes out to COVID vaccines comes from the sides that is against it. It is political for some reason and it never should have been but someone started to make it political and was taking it the whole time and even when he admitted it was good the footing was already in the ground. Now if it was a few people out there and at the time wasn't one person who had mins control over his following the the whole COVID thing would be different. Before the vaccine the only people who really didn't get them were the Amish and some specialized religious people who didn't believe in medical care at all. All those communities had rare diseases affect and kill people in their community because they did not use the vaccines. Just think about it how many people were mad or weren't getting MMR, Dtap for their babies! Virtually nonone
You must be new in the world of steroids. You bodybuilders are dropping down like flies. This may or may not be because of the shitloads of gear they were using. But they are dying young...
Apparently im a shitty writer but I was talking about people i knew of personally. I know about all the BB dropping dead.
It's because more and more people have easy and cheap access to gear today compared to a decade or so when gear was expensive, difficult to get hold of and used scarcely due to price. Combine that with guys using heavier dosages.
Odds are more people are using steroids today and with link and causation unfortunately you will see more people these days with complications or death.
Social media and people following guys they want to look like and taking shit load amounts of drugs but not doing anything to monitor their health. I have seen two kids at my gym go to hospital just for dry scooping their dam PWO. How stupid people are now days and it is due to social media
Let’s not forget about the taboo drugs and diuretics, there’s many factors at play, but yes availability and lack of knowledge comes with consequences. Always has always will.
From what I read, he found heavy metals in his bloods while back, then he started talking about how he never had those “heavy metals” until after his 4 Covid vaccinations. Who knows his cause of death.
He must of had something that left him susceptible to Covid if he had 4 injections, over here we just have the 3 and then a 4th if you are elderly or at high risk.
He was pushing a shit ton of gear year round and you think a vaccine has something to do with it. Smh. Im no advocate of the vaccine nor am I vaccinated but this is a stretch...
RustyhookerNot if you kept up on science. Ive posted in news the science. Forums...news....
Beware you might shit yourself
Please, link any decent study you have. I dont know why you wouldnt start with “the science”.
Rustyhookerhttps://www.eroids.com/forums/general/off-topic/just-happend-covid-facts
And 4th time....not including news section i cited yesterday
Gotta check this out then, still the combination of gear and the vaccine can not be favourable for his health...
True, especially if he had some kind of underlying medical condition. No one truly knows.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
Never heard of the guy before the news, but if he was staying as huge and single digit bodyfat shredded year round like in most of his pics then it's definitely a risk factor for cardiovascular issues.
Watched a couple videos where he talks about his gear usage being low and it's most likely a load of bullshit, these influencers and big names in the industry can't be trusted because they're selling you products.
Obviously the guy had some elite genetics regardless of what he was taking, but those same genetics caused his death at age 30, so believe what you want about whether gear played a role vs. simply bad luck, or maybe a combination of the two.
'Thats the only early death i knew from this type of life' - You must be kidding right?
Deaths related to Steroid usage and abuse are on the rise constantly now since every man and his dog are using them as soon as they take out a gym membership, this is why we preach safety when using them and also that you should be hitting the gym for a few years before deciding to use them. Its a major decision in your life that you are making when deciding for the first time to use them, its not some little lifestyle addition like drinking a protein shake.
He's been fairly honest in the past about heavily abusing steroids in the early years of his training, this could easily be the result of a longstanding plaque build up in his artery or similar rather than an aneurysm that they are blaming it on. Look at the shape he is constantly in and the bodyfat he carried - that's not someone that runs TRT test and follows a strict diet despite what he wanted you to believe.
There's literally RIP photos in my gym of members. Sadly some of these guys will jump on gear first and then the gym
Seriously mate?? Are things really getting that bad SMFH I'm not too aware of how bad it is in the gyms with me training at home, just see it online when Pro's and 'Influencers' die. It's gonna get worse pal, people have no respect for what they are taking - its all about getting up that online social media picture as fast as possible. Gotta have everything right now culture.
I know of everone in the news but PERSONALLY. I know obe person
I wouldn't assume it had anything to do with steroids. But if you had a certain mandated medical procedure you might have good reason to be worried. Lot of people dying young these days. 'Nuff said.
I heard it was a tinfoil hat that killed him.