New to concept of roids - I want strength without bulk
Hey.
I have been mulling over the thought of juice for some time, about 3 months. I am a thin guy, 6'1" toggle around 170. I do tons of running and biking. I have a horrible back and feel like once I entered my 30s I started losing that snap back from a hard workout. Plus, it takes longer for the back to feel better after an issue.
So, I am thinking about juice but I am in the states. I did tons of google'ing before I found EROIDS, and I am glad I did. This place has got tons of info and a great community. Cheers on that!
Back to my situation, I don't want to get bigger, just stronger and perhaps leaner. Bulk looks good, but is hard on the knees and slows you up hills. Do any of the community members have advice? Success and pitfalls to avoid?
I have no experience with drugs or the lifting for mass or "cycles" as I have read on this site. I get the concept, but I am about as inexperienced as they get, but I am a fast learner.
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I'm on a cutting cycle with 500 mg test-ethanate. Like you I was thinking of alternatives like anavar, equipose etc. Anavar is expensive if you're going to do enough to make it worthwhile and it can be hard on the liver. I did 3 months of research and decided test is the way to go. You'll get maximum strength gains. Take A-dex for bloat and drink 1-2 gallons a water a day and do your cardio. Eat a clean diet and watch your calorie intake and no way will you bulk up. I'm only on my third week but I'm getting more definition and my vascularity in my arms is showing up nicely. Good luck to you.
When you say you have a horrible back, do you mean that you have pain in it or do you mean it looks horrible? I have a very bad back, sometimes I actually have difficulty lifting my right arm, but if I'm taking test and deca then it never bothers me at all. I watch my diet, get lots of exercise and I don't put on weight but I have twice the strength when I'm on cycle, and my wife walks around with a big from on her face. I can deffinitely say it's the deca that gets rid of the pain for me.
I actually have a slipped disc and it acts up quite a bit. I was thinking the test will help that since I exercise and it doesn't seem to help long term. Glad to hear it has been working for you too. I hope to find out for myself soon.
Great feedback, thanks. I will look into anavar, but I do believe I will also look into a low dose of test. Sounds like test prop? is better to avoid the weight gain. I have read studies that endurance athletes end up decreasing test faster than couch potatoes. Crazy. Maybe the information I read about the hgh was someone using test c and suffering from the bloat in the joints.
Sounds like BuckNaked has achieved great results with anavar. Awesome.
Again, this is all new for me so maybe just anavar will be great but a small boost in test may be nice even if it is not quickly noticeable.
Oxnadralone AKA Anavar
From your stated goals its all you need.
Erm...that's a matter of opinion mate and it's good to get different opinions from different folk so I am all for your post but I am of the school of thought that says all cycles should be test based. Reason being is all steroids suppress your natural test production (yes var and primo included, it's clinically proven)so to cycle without test is not going to be as productive as cycling with test. I do however understand that the goals are different here and it is strength and performance that is the goal not muscle so I'm willing to concede that var may be sufficient to achieve the said goals. You would however need PCT or there is a danger that post cycle you would be without your own natural test for a longer period of time. I however still believe test c is the way to go. If you don't train and eat for size you're not going to get big but your strength, endurance and performance will all go up. Simple way to see who is right is to do a var only cycle then on the next cycle do a test only cycle and see which cycle was better for your goals. I'm pretty sure the test cyp cycle will be the superior one.
Certainly is a matter of opinion albiet it an informed one. I have done both Test Cyp cycle and supplemented with Anavar alone, once and 4 times respectively. I say supplemented as i know most guys say "it aint a cycle if there aint test" and from the dramatic effects i agree. Test makes you feel like superman, zero doubt about that.
It goes to this guys goals. Hard to believe you would argue that Test Cyp is what he doesn't need. As far as i know its the worst test for bloat. He wants to maintain weight so if he was gonna pin he should be going for Test prop to avoid he weight gain. no?
Ill present my rambling argument.
i know a half dozen guys who have done var alone i only know once guy that got shut down and he was on 80 mg for over 12 weeks, not ideal. SO i maintain that this dude will most likely NOT have to do a PCT.
Sides:
Anavar helps burn fat, Not hard on the hairline, no Gyno....Test? Gotta REALLY dial in your diet and training to burn fat. It can be hard on Hairline and gyno is always a concern. You start getting sides and all the sudden you taking 3-4 nex drugs to keep it down. No thanks. Sex drive gets unreasonable at time on Test, i enjoyed that 5 years back when i did test but you can keep it. Suit yourself on that point!
With Var you keep everything you gain. The sad thing about test is alot of it goes away, depends on he guy and the PCT as to how much but losing that weight is kinda depressing and a guy cant wait to get back on it.
With Test it takes so long for it to kick in compared to Anavar, with the Var its straight away. Test 2 weeks minium to notice and at low dose which this guys would need maybe longer.
With Var you can jump on and off 6 or 8 week cycles..With test , well, most guys will say with a great reason to go on for 10-12 weeks..Thats 14 weeks after PCT and a 3 month wait to do it again and you will want to because the fact is. Being on test is awesome and a guy wants to feel it again. Personally i like a 6 week and put away and can roll again in 6 weeks time.
Read up on all of it, from he is saying all he needs is Anavar in my opinion. I happen to have the same goals as this guy.
Read the result guys report as its great fashion on juice forums to jump all over guys that dont wanna included Test in anything.
I hear ya and as pretty much everyone reacts differently to roids, it's all going to come down to personal choice at the end of the day. I personally don't get any bloat off cyp or hairline probs, gyno is not an issue either anymore but I'm not disputing that in general the sides you get off cyp are worse than the sides you get off Anavar. Anavar is a very mild steroid with few sides which is why it may be so popular but in turn you get limited results. As far as geting shut down from Var goes, it is scientifically proven that it shuts you down although as it is a mild andgrogen it's not gonna shut you down as hard as test. You say one in 6 guys you know got shut down but unless the other 5 got blood work done, there is no way of telling that they didn't other than from how they felt. Just cos they felt okay doesn't mean their HPTA was firing on all cylinders.
Anyway from my understanding the guy was asking about juicing and contemplating a proper first cycle. Anavar only is not a proper cycle trust me. I still maintain his goals will be achieved far better with a low dose test cyp cycle. His performance, strength and endurance will improve far more on test cyp than Var alone. If bloat is a problem, which is unlikely as the guy is thin anyway and is so active he's going to be expelling so much water through his cardio and won't be eating for bodybuilding but eating for strength and endurance...I don't think water retention will be an issue. If it is, low dose adex or nolva will do the trick as well as ward off gyno sides.
Anyway I think we're talking at cross purposes as I'm answering his question about juicing and doing a proper first cycle, you're basically telling him not to and just supplement with var which I will agree is another option.
This is all great information, thanks everyone. I was thinking Test-C, so great to hear I was on the right track. From my readings, Test-C seems to be the best. I also read that using HGH on occasion would flush out the joints in case there was any crud building up. Is that true?
I compare my diet with friends that are builders and it is pretty much a 180. They are all about protein and I am all about carbs. I recover with a little protein, but never take it in when training. I made that mistake a few times and it is too hard to plan bathroom breaks during a long ride.
I will continue my research and plan to lay some coin down on one of the sources and see where that takes me. I am ready to take the leap, but I do still have concerns.
Test Cyp is exactly what you do not need.
I have never heard what you are saying about HGH.
What you should know is there is no point in doing HGH for anything under 6 months.
STart with 50mgs of Anavar ED, it is exactly what you need. If you have never done gear you will be blown away by the effect.
Welcome to the forum bro. As others have said, test only for a first cycle is the way to go and nolva or clomid for PCT and gyno. AI's are optional in my opinion, nolva works just fine for gyno and you're gonna need it for PCT anyway.
You'll get out of it what you put into it. If you train and eat for size you'll get size, if you train and eat to get lean and strong that is also what you'll get.
Good luck buddy
sgtstedankoYou can try Cutitalians below cycle 400-500mg per, for 8 weeks, w/25-50mg winny tabs ED week 3-8:) Make sure you have EVERYTHING before you start. Research, research, research...
If you have never used any gear start with test, and run it at 400 or 500mg a week. You will also need an ai(ex. arimidex) and pct(nolva, or clomid). Also you have to realize that you must eat and get your diet in check, to gain even if you are only wanting to gain strength and lean muscle.