ELLO GOVNA!
Well i 27 and just finished the pct of a 16 week cycle of 500mg deca 700mg test e, with a drol/Dbol combo kick start, went from roughly 215-220 lbs to 250-255 lbs. ran Adex on cycle, and Prami as needed. finished with clomid an Nolva to be safe.
Diet of around 5k to 5.5k calories, egg whites various steaks chicken and fish in that order everyday.
Was not a fan of the heartburn and all around shitty mood of the drol, eating was a chore and i believe, since i have used Dbol before and loved it must have been the a-bombs. Honestly i will prolly run the A-bombs again tho as even thru the bad moods an lack of appetite the weight gains were beast looked bigger in mirror and ppl at gym had ppl asking what "supplements" i took.
strength is way up benching 3 plates for sets of 8-12 where it was my 2 rep max precycle
squats which i suckkkk at are at 4 plates and legs look like i could do 6 
dead lifts went from 3 plates for sets to 5 for sets back thickness at an all time high need to work on my width though.
Rough start on this cycle but the gains were undeniable, will def do a variation of the cycle again...
Questions:
I am thinking about replacing the deca for NPP as everything i hear is good about it...good or bad idea?
Drol/dbol combo was suggested by a golds gym roid vet and reduced the cost of my cycle from just using A-bombs...wondering should i switch to just A-bombs? or is this combo a legit thing?
Lastly dont wanna be greedy but can i incorporate some type of cutting finisher or should i run the bulk cycle then cruise or pct to a cutting cycle?...
thanks guys and remember im new so flame me and help me get better at posting just be nice about it ;)
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GREAT thats def something i can do! i like the idea that im in control of the gains with what i take in.
I also want to build up my delts to give that look where im wider than my natural frame, most of my work has been to put on delt width and back thickness lately, is this something that can be done without adding new muscle fibers by using hgh? i really want the look to be dramatic.
And lastly you said this was one of the things to try what would be your other choice or is this the most sesible thing to do at this point?
oh btw did some research on here bout hcg...why isnt everyone using this lol?
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omg yea i was wondering what i had been dong wrong thnx
that sounds really smart actually i really like the things i hear. Getting some solid gains would be a good idea and again i have nothing really going on in my life so i can def fit a tame cycle in before going all out again. with this type of cycle would i be really concentrating on bringing up my lagging parts or do i treat it like a bulk and get the most size possible.
i dont throw weights around or anything i concentrate on all the movements and would rather bench 315 with good form then rep out with 345 like a no form loser just cuz it looks badass. and i like your ideas i only care about net muscle as welll looking the part is the whole point, could care less if i could bench 500 but i wanna look like it ;)
im really pretty straight on diet i dont cheat i eat clean but im wondering with this cycle where should my emphasis be, and what should my expectations be?
tread-mA huge variation in expectation via the kitchen. Total cals and how clean and carb use etc.. give you a sample here if I were in your shoes with your goals and remember, we are actually doing two different things here in trying to bring some solid muscle but clean then sort of solidify in the final 4 weeks. So go over to jaycutler.com for an example, on the homepage click blueprints bottom right corner and start clicking on days around june. That's the sort of diet I'm referring to in the first 10 weeks then we go to a very different set up in the final 4. Final 4 I may say for myself that I'm getting 100 carbs ed. On a 6 meal plan and those carbs are before meal 3 then its lean meat and veggies the rest of the day. Then 3 weeks out I'm 100 carbs before meal 2, or by meal 2, then lean meat and veggies the rest of the day. Final 2 weeks I'm 50 carbs breakfast only, lean meat and veggies remaining 2 meals. If you kept the bf in check in the first 10 and had some nice pounds come on you can solidify those gains in the final 4 and even add a few more real lean lbs if keeping the protein via meat high in cals. I'm still working to get that bf down some more in the initial 10 weeks even if it means playing with carbs a bit there. I really think you come out of this done right with 10 solid lbs of muscle and really need to focus recomp in the final 5 weeks. The recomp will look like 10 lbs by itself so easy to look like you put on much more size than you did. I love to hardcore focus traps and delts in a recomp given those are two of the easiest places to get bigger in look and actually be wider. Adding an inch each side on delts with heavy training in side laterals and focusing whole delt even rear by where you would do pulls with the tri rope back to your forehead. Fill out the delts and pop the traps during the recomp and a 10 lb net gain here looks like 20 real easy. Just for the hell of it pull up "get big now" in the general via search bar top right and get a bettr idea of what I mean. Recomp is really where you focus with slow additions when you hit your size. I think you run this one, keep the bf in check via carb work through the off time then come back to a 16 week EQ run and throw on some more solid gains on top of these.
no sugar coating necessary im a big boy i can take it;)
did a bf dunk tank thing with my dad ( hes a doctor) supposedly more accurate than the calipers and came out at 13% ... i will def confirm my cycles here never knew this shit was available to me only had juicer gym buddies. would def take some advice on next cycle, i like the idea of doing a big cycle where the end is "cut" i def wanna throw the weight on and dont wanna waste any cycles. really interested in going all out i want to max out the gains every cycle
tread-mAlright bud this is a process conversation so if you don't like the idea's you get here we'll work through them and find other options. So I think for me if in your shoes what would I do? I think you have put on some nice size whether I'm in love with how oyou did it or not. I think I'm very impressed given how you've gone balls out that your bf is that low so for me right here and now I ask, where's the fire. Its a slow down now and given you have some pretty good size going I think about adding slower solid gains and solidify what I already have. You have an incredible base her, really hard to say base given you have p assed that sometime back. So you have a great place to start looking like a builder now. Good size, some solid gains, bf in a place we can really work with it so I propose you think a little diffently here. In fact I'm thinking a lean bulker in which you fight for the pounds rather than have them come on a brisket at a time but you know every pound on was solid meat and in the process you take on a little recomp and also solidify further what it is you have. So my point is, cycle where the compounds may say I'm bulking but the diet says I'm Adding lean muscle only this round and even if you come out with less total weight ain at the scale maybe the net gain in recomp plus gross is 15-20 lbs. I think at your size you quit thinking scale in other words and start thinking mirror. I have to change my phone battery out here and I'll be back to drop the cycle and at least we all have a conversation start place for ou.
tread-mOk this may seem tame comapared to that last fing cycle! Lol...but I think its turtle time brother and that does not mean its a pound a cycle it just means you begin to get more methodical in your goals and start putting a lot of attention to the mirror. I would much rather be 220 , 30/32 inch waist and ripped to shit turning every head everywhere you go than to be 250. Semi-hardcore at best. That's my opinion if yours is different let's change what I do up here because it is about you and your wants but I always feel by the time you hit your size we buy more mirrors and throw the scale in the dumpster. Btw, this cycle based on your history is going to seem waaaay too simple for you but its not, its the basics here and I think its time to bhack off a bit, solidify all your hard work and slowly move forward from a really nice place you are in now. You eat to grow in the carb dept here in weeks through 10 working as needed to continue recomp and keep bf in check, then in the final 4 we keep cals high via protein and drive carbs down. At the same time we drive the carbs down each week in the final 4 we cut them earlier in the day. By the final 2 weeks we don't have any carbs beyond meal one and drive them lower such as 50 ed outside of veggies which will be offset in fiber. There are many plans for this so if you need some carb help let me/us know. Again, very simple here but the net gain in muscle will rise even if the scales don't rise as much as you want. Net muscle is all that matters to me, if I can look like I gained 20 lbs even though I only gained 10 that's the point. People that see you won't ask to weigh you, they know what they see just like if you look in the mirror and like it vs eh, not what I want. I think beyond this one and maybe next run if this takes you to a better place in the "look" dept you consider an Eq run for 16 weeks then close that out with a cutter as well, that's another convo but I will say, if you're just not feeling this tamer cycle then maybe we talk about an EQ for this cycle. You can still close it with the cutters and run it to grow but grow lean if you choose..many choices this is one let me know.
1-12 test E 600 split
1-4 test prop 75 ed
13-14. Prop at 75 ed
10-14 var @ 80 split
1-14 aromasin 6.25 eod
1-14 hcg at 250 every 3 days
Pct begins 3 days after last pin clom 100/100/50/50 nolv 40/40/20/20
Letro on hand
If this is just way too uncomplicated for you I have 2 cycles in mind that might feel more complicated but you can grow solid gains here brother as young as you are and as well as you have done. The diet will hand down the verdict, plain and simple.
tread-mOk I read your post here you worthless Fer and have some help. What? You want honest or sugar coating? Lol...ok brother, doing some things wrong but its behind you so I'll just throw you some basic advice for where you are and what you do with it is your business. I would like you to confirm all your cycles here for a while for your own benefit. Such as deca for 8 weeks up there, useless, that should have been npp right there. I'd leave the tren out for a while here personally and kinda get a little more quality experience if it were me in your shoes. I think I could lay down a pretty good cycle by where you do bulk for 10 weeks then recomp and solidify gains in a final 4, which is a cut in many ways just not looking to lose weight at the net level. Just have some ideas but what is your bf now?
ok lol sorry my first cycle was when i was 24 and it was a very basic just Dbol kicker, test E and adex, with a pct of nolva an clomid. that took me from an extremely lean 160 to about 170 after pct losing quite a bit of water... kinda turned me off seeing the gains go away but all my buddies were getting huge too so i took my 10 weeks off and got it on again
cycle 2 : loved the dbol kick had a hard time learning to eat so much food the first time so the extra dbol seemed to up my appetite it went like this . bumped up the adex on cycle again kinda nice seeing my real gains through the cycle.
dbol wk 1-6 test E wk 1-12 deca wk 1-8
Cycle 3: this was a summer cutter for me im pretty sure cuz the log i was using has march scribbled into it lol. this was when i first started at golds and everyone talking up prop and tren.
tren wk 1-8 ...350 wk i think? prop wk 1-8 at the same dose
cycle 4: another bulker i reeeeealy dont do anything but eat workout an sleep ...im kinda a loser maybe i should get a job... but anyways!
Dbol wk 1-6 40mg/day deca wk 1-12 300/wk sust wk 1-9 400/wk
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soo if im reading my chcken scratch right cycle 1 took me from 160-170, 2 took me 175ish to 190, 3 took me from 195- 204, and cycle four i went from 207 to 225. whew that was alot of writing...ok my goal is to be 250 and single digits of bf. my body responds really well to food i can look at a steak and gain but i also go the other way if i dont continue my on on cycle diet off cycle i lose weight so right now i eat 4k cals a day anyways which is a chore on those days i wake up at like 12 lol. but ok im here for advice and to get huge. i dont work i have 3 diff gym memberships and i can do whatever cuz i live with my parents... ahhhh im a loser:/
next cycle advice and normal advice too plz!
tread-mOk its been moved so let's kick off the help/suggestions here from everyone. What is your full cycle history?
tread-mFrom 215 to 255 and people asked "what supps" you're using? NOOKA PLEEEEAAAAAZZZZZE! LOL...brother I think you run this over to cycles where you will get a much higher rate of response and better advice via a conversation between many of us. I don't like some of the idea's necessarily but I'm happy to lay out my thoughts for you in cycles along with others and have quite a few questions as well..Welcome to the big show brother!
zewiMy head hurts..
tread-mOh good, thought it was just me!