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Thank you guys for the feedback:
and yes sorry I meant 16 weeks. *** Attached is my overall plan ***
To clarify I want to do another cycle not just to stablize but optimize.
Key Notes
Testosterone: Your current level (320 ng/dL) is on the lower end, so Test-E will help restore natural production.
Prolactin: 19 ng/mL is slightly elevated, so Clomid and Arimidex will help bring it down.
TSH: 3 is within normal range, so thyroid function is fine.
Fatigue & Low Libido: These are likely due to low testosterone and estrogen imbalance. This cycle will address both.
Hair Loss: You can add Finasteride (1 mg/day) to reduce DHT and protect hair.
Blood Work Monitoring
Before Cycle: Baseline (already done)
Mid-Cycle (Week 8): Check testosterone, estrogen, prolactin, liver enzymes, and cholesterol
Post-Cycle (Week 16): Recheck all values to assess recovery and PCT effectiveness
Protein: 1.6–2.2 g/kg body weight
Carbs: 4–6 g/kg body weight (depending on training intensity)
Fats: 0.8–1.2 g/kg body weight
Training: 5–6 days/week, progressive overload, compound lifts, adequate recovery
• 34 year old male
• 5’11”
• 200lbs
• 20% body fat
• 17 years experience progressive weight training
• Former cycle (Test-E/Tren-E 250/2) at age 20
• Gained 25lbs muscle from 165-190lbs
• Developed mild gynecomastia
• Currently experiencing low libido, erectile dysfunction, fatigue, sluggishness, and poor sleep
• Looking to conduct 2nd cycle that mitigates side effects like acne, gyno and hair loss
• TSH: 3
• Prolactin: 19
• Testosterone: 320
• Free T: 15
*I should say I did not experience any hair loss from first cycle and I don't think I have the gene that would predispose me.
This is what im thinking (Please offer any suggestions or thoughts on my thinking)
With gratitude,
GB
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Thank you guys for the feedback:
and yes sorry I meant 16 weeks. *** Attached is my overall plan ***
To clarify I want to do another cycle not just to stablize but optimize.
Key Notes
Testosterone: Your current level (320 ng/dL) is on the lower end, so Test-E will help restore natural production.
Prolactin: 19 ng/mL is slightly elevated, so Clomid and Arimidex will help bring it down.
TSH: 3 is within normal range, so thyroid function is fine.
Fatigue & Low Libido: These are likely due to low testosterone and estrogen imbalance. This cycle will address both.
Hair Loss: You can add Finasteride (1 mg/day) to reduce DHT and protect hair.
Blood Work Monitoring
Before Cycle: Baseline (already done)
Mid-Cycle (Week 8): Check testosterone, estrogen, prolactin, liver enzymes, and cholesterol
Post-Cycle (Week 16): Recheck all values to assess recovery and PCT effectiveness
Protein: 1.6–2.2 g/kg body weight
Carbs: 4–6 g/kg body weight (depending on training intensity)
Fats: 0.8–1.2 g/kg body weight
Training: 5–6 days/week, progressive overload, compound lifts, adequate recovery
Symptoms you’re describing could well be down to low test. Did you only do 1 cycle previously when you were 20? Have you been on trt either way? Blood test and run trt if required would be sensible advice. Being foolhardy I would likely run 500mgs test e a week for 16 weeks and then cruise on trt or similar rather than pct. That’s just me and I’m not advocating it for others. Would also depend on whether you want to have children now or in the future. Supps I use TUDCA and a multivitamin, although I have lots of others I found taking too many messes with my stomach. I didn’t suffer hair loss at 37 running test and dbol. Only into my third cycle at 44 did my hair start falling out and is now noticeable from the top. I didn’t ever think I’d lose my hair from steroids because of my age and how thick my hair was. It’s a throw of the dice when you leap into the world of gear. Best of luck with your cycle and whatever you decide.
Thank you, R.
What do you think of updated version I made above ^ ?
Super appreciate your feedback
I’d keep your test e stable at 500mgs thoughout. No need to go higher, that’s plenty. You’ll notice effects within 3-4 weeks. If sides are an issue you can lower dosage.
I also have Aromatase on hand and currently in process to acquire PCT
Following common protocols involve Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators (SERMs) like Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) at 40/40/20/20 mg daily or Clomid (Clomiphene) at 50/50/25/25 mg daily to restore natural testosterone productio
Do you suggest using both or is one just fine? A lot are sold out in domestic market. Kind of annoying but I have time to get.
If you have any thoughts on fast quick spot for that Id appreciate it. DM me.
With gratitude,
GB
I believe that is the widely accepted “one size fits all” recommended dosages. I only did pct once nearly 10 years ago. Felt very low and lost gains. I’m probably not the best person to ask about it.
In my humble opinion, I think you need trt first. Get your labs dialed in and then have a run once you know your failsafe dose and what works for you.
If you ever need to bail from a cycle, you’ll be in a better position. You can just drop to your failsafe and ride out the side effects.
Long term you fuck around and have that safety net if shit goes sideways which it will. It does for all of us at least once.
DocMcGainsEight weeks is a short run. My suggestion would be to go low, slow, and longer. Your ancillaries are fine, but it is the main cycle that needs some work: 500mg Test E for 8 weeks. Here's the problem: the half-life for test e is 4-5 days, and it takes 4-5 half lives to reach saturation, which is 25 days, but even with that dose split into two you still have your body metabolizing and discharging, and slow depot release, which means you would not reach steady-state blood serum levels until weeks 5-6. And so just when you hit stable, you would be halting the cycle. That's a lot of whiplash for your endocrine system, for very little gain. You would probably get sides because that would be a lot of anabolics all at once, and with 20% body fat, you'll be aromatizing a lot of testosterone into estrogen.
Instead, start yourself off at 80 or 100 mg per week. I pin every day and that keeps my levels generally higher on a lower dose (in the 900s when I am pinning 15mg/day) and minimizes peaks and valleys, which is frequently the cause of sides. Run 80-100 for 2-3 weeks and see how you feel. Then titrate up to 120 for another two weeks while your levels stabilize, and then titrate again to 140 etc. When you hit 200-250 or so, hold there for a solid month. At that point, you will have been on test for about 10-12 weeks. Run your bloodwork and see where your estrogen is (get the sensitive assay) and monitor things like hematocrit, lipids etc. If all is well, keep your test between 200-250. You will feel a lot of relief from the low libido and fatigue at that dose. Add in 3-4mg retatrutide per week to get that body fat down closer to the 10-15% range. Check blood work again. At this point, you might be 3-4 months in, but you will have established a baseline on how your body responds to testosterone, and you will likely have found a lower effective dose than just jumping into the 500mg/week cookie-cutter bro protocol.
At that point, if your bloods look good and you're feeling good, but you want to take things higher then take things higher. But you might find that you can reach your goals more effectively, and with more stable and long-lasting results by taking the slow, patient route. Listen to Vigorous Steve. Don't sweat that you might end up with a 6 month "cycle" since most of that will have been spent at a close-to physiological dose. Then if you choose to cycle off for another 4-6 months, implement your PCT, and rerun the entire protocol again after you've had a nice little health phase.
updated! Thanks
Are those your current blood markers?
If so that’s why you feel like shit. At first I thought your first cycle was recent till I saw it was 14 years ago. Might want to hit up a trt clinic just B and C
Cycle and supplements look solid in my opinion but I’d add duration to 16 weeks.
updated!