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+ 1 Up to date statistics on average test levels of Americans?
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I'm looking for up to date info (post 2010 ideally, post 2000 is acceptable) regarding average test levels of males in Americans, age 18-35. Haven't found much on google - anyone have a link on hand? Looking for something scientific, not some Huffingtonpost article. Specifically I'm interested in data showing if T levels have declined over generations
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You will probably need access to medline to find the studies you seek. Find someone in a college that has a med school, and go to the library there. That is the easiest/cheapest way.
All that said, this is probably a top 10 topic of global phenomenons. Since testosterone was first identified and reliably measured after WWII, testosterone levels have plummeted in the West. Similar declines have been noted in other parts of the world, although the data doesn't go back as far.
It is true that social factors play a role. Humans are a social, tribal species and it is true that a man finding himself in a leadership position will generally experience an increase in baseline testosterone levels. But the effects are not enough to explain the decline.
In some parts of Europe, test levels are so low fertility is compromised in a significant portion of the male population.
There is likely a combination of environmental and social factors at play.
The sad reality is that by most measures, dysgenics is real and the human race is declining in average intelligence, strength, and reaction time in comparison with just a century ago.
In many cases, the human male is the poorest example of evolution of any species.
https://www.endocrine.org/news-room/press-release-archives/2006/testoste...
The above study compares 1988 to 2003 but it is for elderly men.
You might try www.endocrine.org and their The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism.
I've seen studies cited that show an increased environmental exposure to estrogen related compounds (EDC endocrine disrupting compunds) in petroleum based plastics may lead to the feminization of male organisms. Studies have yet to find a direct connection to reduced testosterone but I am sure they eventually will. good luck. Very interesting topic.
There are many reasons I believe...Over protective parenting along with rewarding being "average" in my eyes is one of them. Every kid is a winner nowadays. Trophies, medals, ribbons for all! No need to delve into that competitive instinct. You can see the sense of entitlement in the younger generations. Imo that creates laziness...no need to push...no need to be great. Being great at something takes work...if it is instilled that you are great for nothing more than being born...how can a boy evolve into an aggressive go getter?
A young boy needs to find his place in this world...not have a place taylor made to suit him. And for god sakes, smack these lil back talking motherfkrs! Respect is earned, taking little jimmies xbox away is like bargaining with the child...my mom and uncles made damn sure I had no counter offer. Chores chores and more chores...and being held accountable for them! And being rewarded when they were complete by understanding I play an important part in the household which becomes rewarding in itself. I dunno I think tough love breeds men and smothering love breeds cunts....hahaha kinda harsh...maybe I should say a less physical man...
I'll drop you a +1 for that rant! Good one!
It's a battle, brother. I have two little men (both under 5 years old) and I'm doing my best. I kiss them often and tell them I love them every chance I get, but in the same breath, I tell them that the world won't give them shit and that they have to learn how to work their asses off to get what they want.
In the end, it call comes back to libido, and the raging male desire to get laid. Hear me out.
My boys already have to put away their own clean laundry cuz my bride and I make them "work," and they do it horribly, but fuck it, it's their dresser with messy clean clothes everywhere. When they're older, they'll wanna get laid, and they'll learn that most ladies like a clean living environment (at least the type of chicks that I was always attracted to like cleanliness).
At age 18, I slept on a mattress on the floor with hampers of clothes everywhere, some dirty, some clean, and random shit everywhere. But then whenever I'd bring chicks over to my shitty apartment, I got shot down time after time. I figured it out quickly. So I bought a bed, made it every morning, cleaned my sheets every weekend, put my clothes in a dresser, and bam, I was getting laid. A lot.
It's been that way for damn near 20 years, but it's still pussy that motivates me, even though I've been a happily married man for a decade. When my boys get older and become motivated to chase chicks, they'll learn. Until then, my voice will simply ring in their ears, "take a bath, boys, cuz no hot girl wants to give a dirty boy kisses." Hell, if I had daughters, I'd tell them the same thing.
This isn't meant to be a rant about hygiene, or even sex, but rather, it's supposed to be about MOTIVATION.
@bolt781, what motivates you? I'm guessing vanity plays its part (as it should! and fuck anyone who argues differently, those insecure fucks!) in the weight room, but I'm also guessing your need and desire to lift encompass emotional & mental things that you work through while lifting, let alone that awesome need to feel that physical high that comes from burning your muscles out with a great lift. Me too.
Regarding "kids these days," I simply assume my children will have that same need to be strong, look good, and burn out their emotional baggage on the dumbbell rack that I have. When they hit puberty, daddy will teach them the discipline of the weight room. Until then, it's simply, "put your laundry away, don't talk back to your mother unless your want your butt beaten black and blue by daddy, and always remember that your father loves you with every molecule of my being. You've got 15 more years you get to sleep under my roof, and by then daddy will have taught you enough to go out into the real world and work your ass off so you can have your own place. And trust me, when it's YOUR WORK that takes care of the people you love, you'll be happier than if it's someone else's work or money that takes care of the people you love. Now drink your water and go the fuck to sleep."
I enjoyed that brother! Your stance on what it means to be a father, and how you mentor your boys, are values Im sure they will mold into their own virtues as they become men.
Amen! Knuckles!
Brother, thank you for the good mojo! I know, I know, I get long winded and fired up. It's who I am. But I usually try to remain positive and keep my mouth shut about most things until it's something I'm REALLY passionate about.
Being a dad has literally changed me from the inside out. These lads in my life have brought me joy, misery, hilarity, sadness, and everything in between. I joke that, "I hate being a parent, but I love being a daddy."
Just today, my four year old said, "dad, if we grow strawberries, can we make strawberry ice cream?" It caught me by surprise, but I told him, "you bet, son. That sounds like a lot of fun!" Then he asked, "will people give us money if we give them our strawberry ice cream?" I laughed and said, "yes they will, son!" My libertarian bullshit is indoctrinating my kids already. They're doomed.
I have a great dad, so I'm lucky, but I also know how hard it is to "live up to daddy's expectations." So, in the end, I tell my boys everyday, "the only expectation daddy has of you is to find people you love in this life and be good to them. That's the only thing that will truly make your daddy proud." The "high" a man gets from working hard, then being paid for that work, then using that pay to take care of his loved ones, is a better "high" than anything I've experienced. I hope my boys get that same high as they get older.
Anyways, @bolt781, you're a good cat. I'm really grateful to be a part of this forum with gents like you adding your voice. Eroids has added so much value to my life that my gratitude is ridiculous. Cheers brother!
With so many things going on in this world that can easily bring about a negative attitude, it's paramount to hang onto the positive moments we come across, such as "strawberry ice cream":)... and to project an upbeat persona. We can create "our" world and have the power to enjoy one another or hate one another. We all have difference in opinions but they pale in comparison when we all have respect for eachother....and that is what I have for all of the great guys and gals here!
Got off topic here but when someone takes the time to relay their thoughts and share a bit of themselves, it is important to acknowledge that with a smile brother! And ofcourse a knuckles!
It ain't got nothing to do with test levels. Your either brought up with some work ethic and backbone or given shit free and taught that snitching is the right thing to do.
And I mean the shit is everywhere, even in my house my wife tells the kids thanks for telling me so I can handle it. The kids know to go to her cause I just say ok well figure it out.
And their spoiled rotten, ask the little bastards to take out the trash and they complain about losing the video game their playing.
I would imagine you don't use what God gave you you'll lose it.
There has been a few recent studies on a generational decline in testosterone both stateside and abroad ... It points to a global phenomenon
If you google : testosterone levels in men declining
You will find the studies I'm talking about.
I live in the North of England........... where men are men!
And everything else is either Fucked or eaten.
Still very "Testy" here.............. but i do understand your concerns about the world turning into a fkn Creme Puff........... luckily for me im past the age where i have to deal with this "weaker strain".
I know..... not a very scientific answer, but when it comes to MEN talk we shouldnt even have to start digging any deeper......... it should simply be a "NORM"....... anything else should simply be crushed.
Must it be "or?" Can some things be fucked AND eaten?
My kind of place
America has a bunch of bitches taking estrogen right now! America is on her period! And don't get me wrong I love my country but everyone is getting there feelings hurt over dumb shit and it's very aggravating!
i know what you mean brother, and its not a generational thing because guys like yourself and my son who is the same age are very much the male persona we aspire to...... i think a lot of these "girly boys" just look for the easy option......... back in the day there no such thing as guys working on typewriters and answering phones all day, it was usually physical graft that was male territory... having hard banter with the guys after a hard days work was normal.............. speak to one of these spineless fucks in a hardish mannor these days and they start to cry like babies lol... all this "political correct" bullshit is just a shield to protect these weak fucks!............. gutless, spineless, whinny pieces of shit that couldnt protect their families because they havnt even got the fkn gumption to produce one in the first place lmfaooooo
They reckon there will be a global food shortage shortly................. ahh no worries bro, just feast on the fkn weak
(thats if the flesh is not to mushy)
In this country I believe a lot of it can be traced back to the 70's and 80's when divorce was cool. A lot of families became single mom households and a lot of dads just weren't. So you had s whole generation of men that didn't have good male role models or the few left were poor role models.
As things are today I cannot so much as growl at one of these pencil necks without them calling 911. It is getting worse and worse.
You're exactly right my son's mom had another boy whom is older than my son with another guy who was never around for his boy and when we got together he acted like a little girl I shit you not he was seven and playing with his sister with makeup and Barbies I couldn't believe it lol now I have my son who is 2 years old running around beating the crap out of him who is 9 years old and I have my babys mom whining to me that our two year old is beating up her 9 year old lol. Not going to lie my sons a tough little bastard. Any guy can make a boy but it takes a man to mold that boy into a man himself
RustyhookerLatch key kids. No role models and nothing from them worth passing forward.
Beyond the cultural changes ... It is also possible that the environment is playing a role ... The chemicals leached into our water supplies, the exposure to bpe and other toxins, higher consumption of processed foods and poor diets leading to overal unhealthy body fat averages around the world... All these as you know can wreak havoc on the endocrine system...
It could also be partly due to a evolutionary trend ... Brute strength is hardly a touted trait when damn near everything is automated by machines and we live in relatively safe environments.
Yeah youre right brother.
I was watching a series last night called Building Alaska......... you wouldnt believe how much that type of hands on grafting appealed to me ...... thats my kind of living.... hardship with a massive dose of fulfillment from using the body as a machine.
You are a rare breed brother For most, hardship is avoided like the plague.
@Viking, I'm insulted! I'm gonna go have a latte with a twist of lemon and cry myself to sleep in my skinny jeans while listening to podcasts where everyone is gender neutral and no one feels objectified!
(Note my intense sarcasm, of course. Dude, you had me ROLLING with this rant.)
Thank you for the good laugh. Holy crap, I needed that.
More than anything, thank you for simply being you. (Of course, it'd be a royal pain in the ass to be someone else, I guess, but you get my drift. Don't change for anyone. I won't either, fuckers.)
Bro Fist
Good on ya Zeus............... im smiling now because you got a smile from that post, thats what its all about bro
Welcome to level 2............. good guy to have around.
Holy crap, level 2! That's awesome. I'm really glad I can add my voice to the conversations here at eroids. This place literally changed my life for the better. It taught me what is real about AAS, and what is total bullshit.
Regarding this conversation, the bullshit would be, "AAS makes you more of a man!"
Nope. Being a man is about respect, hard work, helping the ones you love, day in and day out. Not what your wear, not what your job is, not what you consume.
I had a guy brag to me in a pub several years back, "I'm a real man cuz I eat meat and I drink beer!" I told him, "well I GROW meat and I BREW beer, and my chickens are delicious when washed down with a home brew where I grew the hops too." Yup, I'm bragging about what I create, not what I consume.
Too many men don't get it. We are strong, regardless of AAS. We are in charge, not just cuz we're "men" but because that mentality of "they will think of something and save us" is total horse shit. "They" don't give a fuck about me, my wife, or my kids. Thus, a man steps up and does what has to be done, whether it's doing the dishes or killing a deer to put in the freezer.
I'm fine wearing pink. I'm fine crying my eyes out if I'm sad. I'm fine eating a vegetarian meal (especially if someone else does the cooking and cleaning!). I'm fine scrubbing toilets, or changing diapers. I'm fine going to bullshit events that make my wife happy (aka- wine bars with her good looking lady friends, etc).
I'm also fine working my ass off, lifting my ass off, butchering the birds at the end of the summer so my family has pastured meat to eat, planting fruit trees by hand in the hard American clay soil for future cider making, and God knows I'm merciless when getting after my bride when it's bedroom time.
When shit breaks, I fix it, or I figure out how to go forward with fixing shit. I'm in charge cuz I choose to.
I hold my kids when they're tired, I spank them when they're disrespectful, I cook for them everyday, I sing to them when they're emotional trainwrecks, and tell them I love them every fucking chance I get.
Why? Cuz I'm a man. I've built my castle from the ground up, day in and day out, and I defend it with every ounce of love, fury, strength, weakness, humor and grit that I can muster, and I will til they put me in the fucking ground.
If anyone wants to say that I'm less of man for whatever damn reason, they've got their own fucking issues that I can't help them with.
Rant over. Back to work I go. Cheers Viking!
You just wrote exactly how i class my role in life to a "T",,,,,,,,,,,,,, and i can feel the passion within your words.
Well said brother............ you are a master at wordsmanship
That was not very scientific at all Vike. I am sure there are many here who have no idea what in the hell you are even talking about.
Grit slides out to go find something to fuck.....and then eat it.
Lmao........ the Dog just saw Grits eyes and ran and hid
Dogs make great companions, and in a pinch........really tasty barbecue
...and the sheep are nervous
That's Wales.
Northerners are into whippets and coal mining. I know, I married one. (I've obviously trained her since then)....
drop the back legs into the boots.......... so the baaaaastards cant run away
A welsh friend said if you put them on a cliff edge they push back
I didn't ask how he knew 
RustyhookerHahaha! High five
Average test levels are declining in men because they are becoming "sissified." The generations now want everything without working for it so they find any way not to do any manual labor. Look at all the 18-21 year olds you see posting in here left and right. They want to take 10cc's of test a week and train 2 days a week.
10 years ago you worked for a living, there were a lot of manual labor jobs that paid very well and helped keep people in shape as they weren't sitting behind a desk all day and eating McDonalds or Pizza hut. The more you sit around idle and let yourself get out of shape and fat, the more the body thinks it does not need testosterone or muscle so it devours it. Thats just my opinion. When you sit around all day as a teen and play video games or play on your phone and do no physical activity, the body will adapt. Men are becoming women and women are becoming men. When we were kids we did not have video games or cellphones and we played outside or got in fist fights, worked on cars and chased women, testosterone filled activities. Kids today play on their phones, play MMO's and COD without even leaving their bedrooms and you wonder why they are sissy's with high estrogen? I seriously think women have more test then men lately. Look at some of the posts here as well, even some of the guys taking huge doses of test sound trying to compensate for being sissy's themselves and thinking big muscles will make them instantly a better fighter or lover.
A lot of guys now use facial skin care products and make up, Jesus
Rustyhooker^^^^^^^mic drop !!!
+2 well said Irish mack couldn't agree more with every thing u said. My wife I can assure u can outwork most grown men and teenage boys. Not from a strength stand point but endurance and just busting ass in laborous work. Seen it many times. It's not good the younger generations coming up and sadly my son is trying to head down this path but I refuse to let him. He ask why I pick on him & I tell him one day u will thank me.
Rustyhooker300-1100 is "average" .
Average test levels for Bulkdaddy 2000
I'll try to get some time to dig in a bit, but I came across some articles last year speaking on how much levels have declined over the last 4 generations. There's definitely some substance to guitar players comment.
Diet is shit these days, and men don't do physical labor. Exercise naturally boosts levels. We're turning into a data entry couch potato nation.
If I can find it I'll drop the link. This article went as far to say that at the rate levels are declining, men will have trouble reproducing within the next 4 generations.
Let me get through this laundry, ironing, vacuuming, and a hot lavander bath with some scented candles while I rub lotion onto my feet, and I'll see if I can pull it up.
http://www.healio.com/endocrinology/hormone-therapy/news/print/endocrine...
This isn't the article I'm looking for, but I'm thinking they're based upon the same study.
The men born in 1915 were testing in the 500's in their 60's. They chopped firewood and crank started their cars.
I'll still dig for the one article though. It touched on some really good points. It talked about pesticides, and how after a field is sprayed, the gender of all frogs in that area was changed to female. Hopefully this study is still ongoing.
Hopefully you didn't fall asleep watching The Sound of Music in your spandex leggings under your shorts again.
Army wives was really really sad last night. :(. Men can be such pigs. Lol
That's interesting. It would be awesome if you can find the article.
Just look around and you see skinny jeans, capri's, colourful socks, scarfs, guys who match their sneakers to their outfits, ski hats in the gym.....and there is your answer.
LOL
You hit the nail on the head brother. I'm afraid there's going to come a day when the ave person is going to look at guys like us as anomalies. There will come a generation that will look at us and say "oh, you're one of those HETEROSEXUALS that we read about in the history books. You are in the same chapter right along with hitler, stalin, mao tse tung, bin laden, and the most evil of all, Christians. So are you telling me you were actually born with a penis and balls? And you actually had sex to procreate?" Welcome to the new generation.
That day is approaching very quickly Grit, if not already here.
Yep way back when we didn't have computers to do everything for us. We had to manually do it or it didn't get done