+ 7 Tren and test fight for the same receptors or is it bullshit internet parroting?
Iv'e been talking about this in several different forums today, and nobody can really provide any proof of this, YES we know tren has a higher binding affinity then test, but so what?! There are thousands of receptors, so fine tren gets there first but that doesn't mean all that test goes to shit and turns to estro, if it did then why run test with it at all? That would be a waste of good gear right? Wrong. Because if you asked anyone who actually did run high test with tren they will tell you they got much BIGGER results, yes sides were higher but the results were bigger, and i didn't say better either-just bigger.
So assuming that tren really does win the receptors every time, then there would have to be a certain amount of tren you would take that would make test completely useless, but when you look at pro BB's all over they are running high dosages of both test and tren and are making huge gains, if this receptor thing is true i am positive they would know that and would not waste 2-3g of test every week.
So my point is that - YES you will get less sides with low test, BUT that doesn't mean the tren is taking up all the receptors and leaving no room for the test to go to. So why are the sides higher with test?? I have no idea. That's what i am trying to figure out myself.
This is all just my take/opinion and if someone can prove me wrong then please go right ahead, i am here to learn after all. Thank you for reading.
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Agreed.
X2 that.
zewiLmao---ALl homo for you today Vik
You have brought a topic to the table here that i think will be hard to answer from our members for the simple reason being that eroids is NOT a specific BB site, i posted the other day listing my current cycle and it seems to have caused a little confusion.. let me explain - yes i do preach high tren low test but only on a tren dominant cycle for specific tren results, my current cycle is NOT tren dominant it is only in there has my 19nor due to not tolerating deca real well!.. IF the cycle was not test and EQ dominant which i specifically chose it to be for desired results it would look completely different and be something like this...
wk 1 - 20 sus or test hep @ 500mg WK
wk 1 - 20 tren e @1200mg WK
wk 1 - 4 tren a @ 100mg ED
wk 17- 20 tren a @ 100mg ED
wk 1 - 4/6 drol @ 100mg ED
Notice NO prop ramp or taper... now THIS is a real tren dominant cycle with little to zero chance of any gyno issues for anyone,if d/bol was used for the ramp things would be different on that score due to anyone with gyno issues d.bol will for sure emphasis this in no time at all... sustanon or hep would be choosen for the dry properties they bring so as to get the full benifit from the tren effect,this cycle would/could re/comp anybody with BF% in the correct margins into a full blown vascular monster without having to be overly keen with a strict diet.
I AM IN NO WAY CONDONING USE OF THIS CYCLE TO ANYONE HERE IT IS PURELY AN EXAMPLE TO TRY TO EXPLAIN WHAT A TREN DOMINANT CYCLE COULD LOOK LIKE AND IS PURELY FOR REFERENCE PURPOSES ONLY.... AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ALL HAVE TO FIND OUR OWN LIMITS WITH TREN ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT!... REAL SCIENCE OR BRO-SCIENCE CANNOT REPLACE SELF-EXPERIMENTATION WITH ALL STEROIDS IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.. I HOPE THIS IS SOME HELP TO THE THREAD
AnonDaaamn! That'd be enough to turn a shetlands pony into farlap! What ai would u run with that viking?
Proviron @25mg ED thoughout the whole cycle with caber on hand if the shit hits the fan!... i will not use caber just for the sake of it bro it makes me feel like warmed up shit!... ALL ancillaries for me are to be on hand never to be used just for the sake of it.
AnonThats the theory i had when i first started learning here but had a few of the top guys fully drum the AI ed/eod routine in my head.. I would have thought that for a newby the best thing he could do is learn from his own body and see how he responded to just the bare compounds eh?! And gradually but safely add the ai's and serms and such as he went on.. On the other hNd one could always run the ai's ed/eod and slowly reduce dosages til he found his sweet spot. ! ?
AnonAnother thing.. If tren is 5x more anabolic AND 5x more androgenic... When we say run tren at a higher dosage are we talking mg for mg?! Because running say.. 150mg tren and 500mg test per week would still amount to tren doing most of the work! And running something like 250mg test and 500mg tren per week would have the test doin what 10%. ? Which just leaves me to think the test would only be useful for natural hormone levels... ?! Ps im a big noob here just speakin my mind and tryin to learn!
zewiwhat you are saying yes...
Lets look at your first one
150mg tren and 500mg = would equal more sides. Because test would have no where to go fast enough, there is no space but estro..
now on two your 250mg test and 500mg tren per week
2:1 ratio--perfect..(goal is to push the tren as high as you can go with little test) You have enough test to still help with both receptor and libido with little left over to estor...
Now lets look at running them both high 500mg 500mg
Well tren is wining we no that... now you just have more test doing nothing.. wich leads to sides. However, you will be able to help the muscles grow faster.
Like i said below, and what has said in the OP do people gain size "FASTER" with high does of both the answer is yes.. BUt the down side is you will get sides.. IMO wich are not worth it.
Understand you body, be safe you only have one of them--IMO if my gaol is 250lbs i dont need it today if its unsafe.. when i know i can have it in 3 weeks being safe.
AnonOk awesome i think im slowly starting to get it.. But what about with an AI to prevent the test from converting?! In this case wouldnt adex be the better ai? I see u guys normally always recommend aromasin but wouldnt it be better to use adex to stop the estro conversion in a cycle such as this when the chances are much higher for the test to convert?!?!?
zewiNo Adex would not be better, The reson why is Adex binds to estro but it also lets go at times. Aromasin binds to estor and doesnt let go. SO Aromasin is the best in this case. Adex has its place in bloating cycles. However im nat saying you couldn't use both. 12.mg Aromasin EOD or 6.25mg ED and Adex .25mg E3D. Also any cycle with proviron as your AI is a good thing also..
AnonOh.. I thought adex literally prevented the conversion.. Im really keen on the proviron idea! Think ill run that with every cycle regardless of the compounds im using.
Good choice bro.. also gives viagra effects as a freebie... bet that makes you smile lol
AnonFk yeh
It also makes everything female look like a "viable target".
lmfao!.. i have to be careful which way my eyes point bro,suze is the jealous type and would skin me unless im real careful or wear shades lol..lol
zewiYes it does.. Coming to work is "HARD" sometimes.. lmao...
Everybody has thier own personal choice br.. i prefer proviron on every cycle it works well for me and my theory is dont fix it unless its broken.
AnonSo assuming tren does bind better leaving all that free test to float around til it eventually converts to estro.. Wouldnt it be wise to run the minimum required dose of test to keep the natural hormones flowing and raise the tren to the desired dosage to acheive ur goals?!
Or is it a ratio where looking for here? If running a proper ai and something like proviron having that test floating around freely wouldnt be such a bad thing as the moment the big tren dog left its post mr test would be just wtg to pounce!
So with a decent ai it'd be like...
even tho the lil honda isnt bringing home as many girls and filling up the garage with ol those hotties... Hes filled the driveway and half the footpath up with some PRIME lookin booty! Just wtg to have their turn in ol zewis big rape dungeon! And those bitches have got VIP passes they aint leavin til the jobs done!
Yes. This is what I do. 250mg test /ew. 500mg tren ew. You still need a healthy test base because tren will suppress the htpa
Hahahah.. we are all in here writing essays at the same time lol... think tren passion is catching bro ?????
zewiWOW--where to start— Hopefully I write this up right—so it makes sense.(this is just a right up to help see it clearer instead of all the fucking science jumpo shit hope you like my analysis …
So let’s look at this lets say all Your House aka shed right now(muscles) can only hold 10 chicks..
) So you like fuck it im driving both and I can pick up women. So as fast as you can you race those chicks(receptors) over to the muscle. Well with really little math for every 2 chicks the Ferrier brings the Honda brings about 1. So the Ferrier well end up bring 7 the test will bring 3… So working together you brought 10 Chicks in 24hrs.. If test was by itself it would have taking 72hrs.
Well we know your Ferrier is two times faster than your Honda(so yes you can drive both at the same time—I mean your on fucking gear you can do anything..
You now realize you want more chicks.. So your shed needs to upgrade(muscles) to a small house. But you just don’t say hey here is a house—no you have to build a house you need a foundation and walls. So while this is building your Ferrier is revving it’s engine in the drive way causing you to burn fat(and other things) while not leaking any gas while your Honda is leaking gas—but it is also helping with the construction crew bringing them lunch so your foundation and walls can build faster and it also is keeping you happy in the bed room—the rest of the time its leaking gas. However, your taking an AI you have cleaners, some better than others. However, until the foundation and walls are built EOD your Honda is leaking more gas. Which makes it harder for your Cleaners(AI) to do its job, when it cant things get mess cracks(sides) start to happen…
But guess what happens you now have a small house(muscles got bigger) now more Chicks I can get I alredy have 10 now I can fit 25 so you need 15 chicks this time.. Well that means My Ferrier will get 11 and my Honda will get 4 ----and the process will start again.
So yes—if your take high Dose of tren and test you will get bigger faster—but sides will come.
IMO—is it that important to hit 250lbs by tomorrow instead of in a week or maybe 2.. for sides that yo might not be able to reverse.. IMO not only no but fuck no.
Hoped this help—as I read over it I realize I have a screw loose.. lmao..
Can u translate that into Harley's please? I do better on two wheels:-P ahahahaha 1 Harley equals any ass I want. 1bagger means I can get drunk and leave with a fat girl. 1 Dyna and the bitch has to be fit. My conclusion is my odds of getting a fat chick depends on what bike I ride and how drunk my vision gets. Stick to a smaller bike and I only have the option of bringing home a fit piece of ass. Ride a Harley n u get ass. Ride a Bagger and even fat girls think ill bring em home. Ill leave the fat girls for the old guys:-)
zewiLMAO--all homo right now..
E=mc2(life of PI)+popcorn n a soda=snoring thru another one of my wife's movies!
I like it. Very well thought out. So +1 for Creativity. But is this all opinion or do we have any solid concrete fact about receptor binding and different compounds? Everything you say, I agree with. My experience is the more test I use, the more my body disagrees when tren is added to the equation. I used to use almost a gram of test with less than 1/2 a gram of tren and I made gains. I also gained a shit load of scars on my back from cystic acne along with some black bags under my eyes from lack of sleep. So science aside, in my experience higher tren than test is just as effective in terms of gains but much more forgiving on side effects.
AnonErrr? So guys on both tren and test get alot of chicks!? Fuuk yeh bro awesome!!
Can anyone prove any of this right or wrong? Whether its all bro science or parroting I'm not sure, but I know it has worked well for me. I'm unable at the moment but anyone who has time to do some research on the binding affinity of ALL AAS and what exactly happens at the receptor sites when two compounds meet. I'm sure that it will be difficult to dig up much info on the human studies of tren but they exist. Tren hex was once approved for human consumption. They didn just approve it without studying it thoroughly. I have a +3 for anyone who can find facts on this topic and help paint a clearer picture. It's important for all of us. I want references no bro-science.
Nobody will be able to prove it, just express their own feelings based on what they experienced. As for whether this is parroting. It was suggested to me after battling side effects on high test Doses with low tren. The facts: Tren has a higher binding affinity. ALL AAS COMPETE FOR THE AR, not just tren and test. After using both schools of thought and applying it, I will continue to do what works. Higher tren than test. And nobody's insight will change that!
I was told to go low test higher tren by Viking and Grrrl. I wouldn't necessarily say they're going around parroting something they read on the Internet. Vikings prolly has pinned more gallons of gear in his day then me or you have years alive.
This is my current cocktail:
Sust 350 a wk
Tren ace 100mg eod
Tren e 400mg wk
Tren Hex 200mg wk
Eq 600 wk
If I can't get the results I want off of that I have zero business running cycles. I can get as big or as cut as I see fit. My last three tren cycles have been low test higher tren and I really like it that way best. This is the way I do it but nobody else has to do it that way. I say run high test high tren like 1000mg test n 750 mg tren e and a ace kicker and report back real life experience. Take some bloods and measure some estro before cycle and during and after. That would add more credence to the discussion.
It could be something like the tren binds so well that the test looks for extra receptors hence a larger amount of receptors are full compared to compounds sharing a receptor. Like your body is completely saturated in aas lol. Just a guess.
yeah pretty much everything we know about tren is a guess :/
AnonMy point exactly.... i have run high test than tren with great results... but they may be on to something who knows... its not like you can talk to your doctor about it
That is a fact. We are the guinea pigs brother. Scary shit! But fuck it I've got almost enough tren for a few cycles and plan on hoarding more!!
someone posted a video about tren earlier and it talked about this topic alittle, you should check it out, it gave some good insight on tren, PM me anyone and I will find the link for you
yeah i had this discussion in that forum where he posted the vid, i moved to here cuz i didn't want to hijack his thread...although i kind of did lol
Bro you should hit 2G's of test per week with a G of tren. Let us know how huge you get lol.
i would never fkn do that lmao BUT i do know of ppl that do.
If I wasn't afraid of hairloss Id do it. lol
AnonHairloss would be your last worry
i'm more worried about the anxiety and paranoia, hairloss i could deal with..i get short haircuts anyway..lol
the high test high tren causes hairloss?
nothing to with high test, but iv'e heard of ppl losing hair from tren, or if it is from the test then it's a dht issue, still nothing to do with the combo
how does this hairloss occur?
Ya cant really compare to 300lb heavily drugged out ifbb folks . Thats like drinking a beer to keep up with a gram s day junkie. If there's no competition for receptors, then why do the sides dissapate with low test? Tren has an anabolic/androgenic ratio that is not broscience...500:500. Test has a rating 100:100...PhD proven facts. Big kid beating lil kid in chemical world. And like the example i left on the other forum....test/eq. No competition. You can run high, ewual, or low test. It only messes with bulk and water. Yet, no so for tren/test. Ultimately, in anything beit steroids, drugs, beer or pain threshold...there's always that ONE dude that can do it with no sides.
another thought is for someone who is running higher test, according to what you're saying-estrogen would be out of control since all the test would have just converted, i mean say he was using 500mg test and it all converted to estro, that would be really hard to control with a measly 12.5mg aromasin, i haven't heard of any estrogen complaints from the high test users
This would make sense if ppl weren't making bigger gains with high test, because if tren took over the receptors then like u say test will be left to turn into estro, which is not the case, all we know is that sides are higher, to prove what you're saying is true the sides to gains ratio would have to be different, what i am getting from asking experienced users is--
High test/high tren=high sides and HUGE gains
Low test/High tren= little to no sides and GOOD gains
And when i say gains i mean size, not how ripped and veiny they look
On that video....the guy stated clearly the new tren for cows they added estrogen which added more SIZE thru marbling(fat). Humans getting superhigh estro....we have problems with sides. Cows, they just kill 2 Weeks later.
Right, so what i was trying to understand is why would anyone take big amount of test with tren if it was so pointless? I have heard from competitive bb's that they take high amounts of both compounds which goes against all of what has been said
That...would be OPINION....but every drug needs high amounts over time to achieve the same effects.