posted Wed, 01/17/2018 - 04:30
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+ 1 Taking Proviron with Masteron?
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Title pretty much asks the question opinions and science. I know they are closely related would it be like overkill to do like 100mg of Masteron E 3x/week or eod with like 25mg of Proviron ed? Benefits or risk?
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Area-1255I've used 300 Mast 3x a week with 100 MG Proviron daily with no problem and no additional suppression.
There are more benefits than risks, and you will sleep like a baby plus have tons of Energy during the day. That is, until/if you add you add Tren or pack the dose of Test way up!!!
Cool I’ve always felt more energetic when taking Proviron. No Tren for me ever (performance athlete) I’ve noticed keeping test dose on the lower end works best for me less water retention and sides but love that sex drive though lol!
Area-1255For sure brother, Provirons got lots of benefits! What dose do you use?
When i use it 25mg works just fine for me
Area-1255Good to hear, 100 mg (50mg/twice per day) is my sweet spot personally.
Provi is one of those compounds that works synergistically with other compounds, mast included.
Are you sure ?
Because Masteron Di-Propionate give a awesome well-being side.
If it's just stacked with for exemple Test + Masteron i think it's lot suffisant.
But Test + Nandrolone Decanoate i think Proviron are a better choice.
What do you think about TRT + Primo and add Proviron for boost the sex drive ?
I would run test as high as possible to where you don’t need an ai. That will keep any subq water away and keep you looking your best. Provi will help boost free test and boost the libido into overdrive
Good to hear because I got a lot of it from a mix up on an order lol!
Lots of good stuff here bros thank you!!!!
RustyhookerEasiest to post full cycle and goals. Arent you on currently?
Doc script trt
The inj winni pip post was me speaking from experience I have a vial in the stash I didn’t want to throw away that I used previously.
This post wasn’t really about the cycle but the effects of the compounds Mast and Proviron when used together if there were benifits or more risk or just pointless.
I know the way I talk is often unclear
RustyhookerNo worries. Looking more towards mast provi instead of winny. I like that idea. 50 provi is plenty unless youre going huge on test. Mast for me depends on test dose. The combo can be effective. Saw palmetto for prostate care.
Take out the winni sounds good.
25-50mg of Proviron sounds good.
Not going huge on Test I’ve noticed for me the lighter the doses the better.
What Mast Test ratio you think works best?
Saw palmetto for prostate yes sir!
RustyhookerEveryone is different but to test your body try a 2-1 just to see where youre at. If 600 test try 300 mast. We do need estro for heart health and muscle growth.
I went 750test with 400 mast and 50 provi. Was too dry. In that instance for me 300 probably would have been optimal. Were all different....
Got it 600 Test e/c 300 Mast E
Let’s say short ester ratio?
RustyhookerOn shorts ive run prop 100 with mast 75. If you do get too dry its fast to lower the mast to 50. If you hit ed pins, thats 700 prop and 525 mast. If added provi then try 50ed for 350 a week.
Shorts can be fun in that you can adjust quickly. Youll know when the mast kicks in. Theres not much doubts from what ive seen. On enanthate, youll do the once a week weigh in and youre 4pounds lighter. Got the water squeezed. Prop of course comes on quicker . Mucles feel rocky. Not just the juiced up firm but solid.
Any steroid will change youre appearance quickly when sub 10. Mast drops the sub q water so the veins and grains pop. Of course its diet depentant. When not cut and rocky, i appreciate that it helps me stay tighter, harder, aggression/focus. Bloods will show if it holds your estro down.
But heres the kicker.... if running a short cycle i really like var in the mix. It does kill my appetite but the strength and recovery is awesome. Saves the provi for long esters. Just keep your prostate chems in there. If 8 week shorts, 2-8 i add oral to hit when the shorts are booming AND drop those SBH numbers.
All this really goes back again to choices, goals, foods. Theres a dozen ways to do even a simple short ester or long ester run. Keep it simple stupid...KISS. Nursing saying in there. Dont overthink. Be prepared, focused and ready.
Awesome thank you Rusty for sharing your knowledge with us I feel like we need to pay you for that
RustyhookerYour reply was all i needed
Enjoy!
ClassyChassisI'm currently running 600 mg/ wk Mast E, 500 mg/ wk Test E, and 50 mg/ day Proviron. I'm not seeing the need for an AI. One thing I'm noticing, and I don't know if it's E related, but I have an extremely short fuse. I really have to watch myself, moreso than on Tren even.
Masteron for me has me more aggressive than tren. I was really disappointed because when researching masreon all I could find was positive comments and the only negative ones were cholesterol and hairloss
Agreed, mast was my achilles heal for anger management. I knew it was time to stop when I woke from a blackout and was beating up granny for driving 40 in a 65.
ClassyChassisNow I don't feel so bad about taking out those nuns for dawdling in the crosswalk
Lol!
Yes very easy to lose your temper on masteron. Not sure why as I always thought DHT should make us feel fantastic
RustyhookerMast is a dht. Dht causes aggression. Good for the gym but not so good for the dummies in rush hour traffic. Lol
Interesting I will look out for the aggression sides not sure if I’ve had that before or not on Mast naturally I’m aggressive but since I do martial arts I can get that out in a productive legal manner lol!
That might explain what I seen this mornig......guy in a big truck (18 wheeler) drove straight into a car all to gain 4 extra ft.
But it was him causing the jam in the first place on a roundabout
I honestly couldn't believe what I was seeing
RustyhookerI live in area with a lot of newcomers. Getting on freeway at 35 when traffic is moving 65. Just gotta turn up radio. Lol
The trucker sounds like jaw dropper. Seriously a wtf moment. Lol
Lol
I think he was having a bad day and thought fuck it I've had enough
RustyhookerI know ive imagined zombie apocalypse with a diesel truck with big cattle guard on front. Lol
Hahaha
There's a movie with a scene like that......its going to bug me now as I can't remember what the movie was
Damn it!!!!!
I believe that’s the Dawn of the Dead remake.
BOOM!!!
Thank you sir ;)
You da man
RustyhookerI do like mast. Lol
Me too! I don’t mind aggression lol
The mast can have that affect on some & especially above 300-400mg/wk..... I’m not sure if it is the compound or the estrogen. I will do some research!
ClassyChassisCool, thanks. I'd be interested to see what you find. I do know that estrogen has been linked to anger/ rage. But anyone who knows any females could tell you that. Lol..
And I usually don't run Test w Mast and don't remember being this aggressive before. So that's what got me thinking.
Also protect the prostate while on mast bro!!
I will definitely get back with you on anything I find.
As always, someone correct me if this is blatantly incorrect, but as far as I know, both provi and mast act as anti-Es to some extent, albeit through different mechanisms. Whereas provi binds to SHBG and reduces aromatization, I believe drostanolone directly impedes estrogen receptor binding.
I saw anastrozole mentioned below. If you have two compounds inhibiting aromatization and one compound reducing the ability of estrogen to carry out its functions, you can see the potential for a problem if careful watch isn’t kept.
I've had blood pulled on provi and me estro was high 40s and I was on no ai it felt much better than with an ai and my estro being about 25. I have always thought of it just like you said. I know it being a dht derivative will offset that male hormone to female hormone ration with no added aromatization and damn sure makes me feel better
100% correct. anastro on hand but not taken would be the right thing. I doubt he will have E problems on this. You never know though. Thumbs up!
RustyhookerNo it is not 100% correct. A group individually posted bloods while testing that method. For some it worked....like me. For others it did nothing for the estro.
In conclusion everybody is different
I believe the politically accepted terminology would be: “everybody is a special little snowflake.”
Haha!
I agree. The way i read it the comment he was saying no need to start off on it. i was saying have it on hand or are you saying it should be taken regardless off the bat? Ill use the search to look for that. Thanks
RustyhookerOh yes
. Ive seen a ton of guys failing to gain because starting it before it was needed. Calling the gear bunk til blood test. Frustrating would cover that.
On hand as/if needed is a perfect scenario. Bloods will prove the theory or get you a better idea on adjusting.
Have a great day!!
It most definitely has to do with estrogen sensitivity! I’m good without any AI most of the time I might need a low dose of adex for a few days, but my buddy has to use an AI no matter what.
Hey, we’re talking about the Mast & try to figure out why it causes aggression in some? Do you have this side & do you believe it is due to estro? I’m not finding much besides people looking for the same answer.
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