There are a few PH's that are actually very effective STEROIDS, such as Superdrol and Epistane. I have never ran Superdrol but have ran Epistane, loved it and have some sitting in the stash still.

My beef with the Prohormones, or moreso the places that sell them, is they will sell them to teens. Sometimes they will them stacks with 3 or even 4 methylated compounds. They will then sell them a liver/cycle support, some of which are decent products, but then they will sell them some BULLSHIT natural "PCT" product that will do nothing but make them feel like a bag of smashed kittens and do nothig to restore their system.

Homones are totally gay molecules.

I know I'm the new guy here, but I have a slightly different insight on the ph/otc designer topic. I work at a supp store, and attend a university where I work closely with the fitness center as a part of my major. I also train on a military base some buddies in the service. As said by those before me, the majority of whats for sale otc are simply oral AAS, no conversion to another hormone needed. That being said, I was blown away by the widespread use of these. The university I attend and the military base I live near both have somewhere around 40-50% of the "gym population" cycling these different drugs.

I once was naive and bought into the so called "legal steroids" and the "Anabolic Alternatives". Tried a bunch of stuff as a teenager. Most of them are labeled and named similiar to real steroids which none contain any real hormone. I honestly believe they are more dangerous than aas. The whole marketing system is designed to deceive. You go to a "buy legal steroid" site and purchase something that says, Oral test, AnaVar, equibolan, or supersten" I bet you my last dollar 90 percent of them do not have any kind of steroid in it or it would not be legal! Most are Fakes. Theres a rule of thumb to go by, if it works its not legal. The government doesn't want you gaining 30 pds of muscle. The words Precurcor and Prohormone itself is deceptive. Sure they might have a similiar enzyme attached to the molecule WITH the hormone but its not the hormone itself. But companies will hide behind word like precursor to make the customer think there's a loop hole around the law. Furthermore they'll take a fake product with a picture of a bodybuilder that has been juicing his nuts off for 30 years and a teenager thinks if he takes it he'll look like him and when he doesn't he takes the whole bottle of god knows what kills his kidneys and liver. I haven't tried everything, some stuff may work some may not but remember EVERY steroid was once legal at one time, but they were REAL hormones not precursors to them. I wouldn't recommend precursors or steroids to any teenagers. You've got enough Testosterone in your nuts to make Phil Heath jealous. Eat and take advantage of it. Just my 2 cents.

all prohormones/ designer steroids must be ran with test and must be followed up with proper p.c.t, also they fuck you body up badly, you need to get an all in one cycle support product, aswell as excellent liver support!! I have years of experience using phs, I dont fk with them anymore!!

i remember when superdrol was mentioned a year ago everyone on eroids was like "why would anyone take that shit?! all sides no results!"..... now it seems to be the rage. alot are harsh, but there are a few others that give results and can be used in conjunction with test

Thing is, why would you opt for these pills when you have access to AAS. AAS, like Test, is something backed by numerous studies, and is sold in pharmacies. What science or studies are there behind pro hormones? I don't know what sane person would choose something as shady as prohormones when you can get Testosterone. With Test you know what to expect, what it is doing inside your body, what side effects you might encounter, etc. With prohormones you're playing games, going off what X and Y said on an internet forum.

If the gains were phenomenal with PHs versus AAS, I would maybe understand why someone would go for them. But they're not. And the side effects are shit. I can't see one single reason to run PHs.

Hope that is enough "reasoning".

Okay I have one word... SUPERDROL... When I first joined this forum I was shunned regarding this oral that I ran... Because it was a prohormone.. Guess what? Now that it's banned, it's by far the strongest "Prohormone (as tagged by members on here prior to it's ban)" that exists. It is stronger than anadrol, with no water bloat.

I'll repeat that, when I said I took it I was talked to like I was a fucking idiot for taking superdrol. So don't expect a real answer on this website regarding an Ex-shunned-Superdrol-like-Prohormone compound.

You won't find any real answers on prohormones here, but I do suggest you do a testosterone cycle for 10-12 weeks preferably enanthate or cypionate, as well as a proper pct of Aromasin (Exemestange), Clomiphene, and Tamoxifen (Nolvadex). Superdrol, Pheraplex, M1T, and Cheque drops are the worst for liver toxification, so keep that in mind if you take any of those "Prohormones." Ensure you are using liver protection, with multiple products. It can lead to jaundice and liver failure if not.

Edit: You can take Trenazone by Anteus labs (No it's not tren.....) if you don't want serious liver toxicity. It is a transdermal oil that you put on your chest twice a day. It's decent, and causes minor lean gains without the toxicity..

I used them, and would never again. My cholesterol was so damn high when I went for my physical my doc couldnt believe it. The problem with them is like any oral, its harsh on your body. For any cycle its all about time on and off. Prohormones come with warnings that say never go past 4 weeks. Who's really going to do a cycle for only 4 weeks? That's where the danger comes in, there arent studies on what happens to people on extended cycles of ph. If I had to do it over again, I would have eaten and trained better when I was young, then used the tried and true AAS in my late 20's when its really needed. Just my 2cents brother.

A little searching will Answer those questions for you.