-2 Please help with my estro blod readings (over 6500!!!!??)
First off my stats:
29 yrs old
204 lbs
5'11
Bf: around 9-9.5
Training for 7 years and (serious 3 yrs)
Currently running:
7 iu gh daily
100mg tren ace ed
1200 test e/prop ew
800eq ew
100var ed
100 proviron ed > both Orals started in the past 10 days post blood test
100mcg t4 ed
12.5mg aromasin ed
Tren was thrown in about 4 weeks ago
And had been running the test/eq for 8 weeks prior to starting every thing else.
I went to draw bloods 10 days ago and got some readings back this week finally. Everything was where it should be besides the estradiol levels. They came back at over 6500!!! I am holding a little water, nothing crazy and from time to time I adjust anti E accordingly to how I feel. Sometime nipples are puffy nothing out of the ordinary though. My libido is through the roof and I have plenty of energy. Not depressed at all. I have read that tren can cause a faulty reading for estro but this faulty?!! The lab who ran the test was labcorp which I've heard shitty things about lately but they said they even ran the test several times because it was such a phenomenal number!! My gh is good it's pharma so I'm ruling out hcgbestro rebound and my aromasin is some from a top ranked source for a long time until he got into some issues several months ago. And I've never had a problem with it. I had been on the tren for about 3 weeks before I went to draw bloods. What is going on!??? Can someone please help and enlighten or guide me on what to do? I'm not new to the boards or community just have been off for a while so I apologize in advance because I haven't been there lately to help or support others. Cycle history includes everything under the sun besides slin. EVERYTHING.
Thank you for any help
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Dang bro,
I wasn't expecting you to defend your position. Silly me. I don't give a rats ass about your stats bro. Really I don't. I was just concerned about your health, but I can see that you know it all and have got that plenty under control. My bad. What would I know? Obviously nothing your Eminence. Viking is a better judge of character than I am. What did he say? "Beyond help." I wasn't gonna throw the towel in on you yet, but I can see I have to.
Good Luck to you bro,
GearHead
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I really appreciate every ones comments but honestly, for just about every person who commented in a negative and somewhat mean spirited way, besides "Vikingpower", I looked at each one of your pics of yourself you posted up on your profile. You all are seriously making fun of my stats? I said 5'11 but really I'm closer to 5'10 and I'm a very, very, lean 204. I am at a TRUE 9% bf and haven't been properly measured since this cucle started. I was under 10% before it started. My diet is in check I know how to eat and I know what a TRUE 9% bf is. No disrespect but for just about everyone who posted negatively, and I don't mean everyone ( not Vikingpower) because he is a lot bigger and leaner than I am, but the most of you I only have one question for you, "do you even lift bro?" Seriously. Some of your stats day 5'8 200+ it's a fucking lie. Unless you have enormous quads or a third leg your not showing in the pics. The 4 or 5 pics I looked at of you guys look like you literally have never trained before little lone have eaten over 4000 clean cals in a day before. Jesus Christ why to fuck do some of you even take AAS. You got a long further to go than many of you think.
Just my 2 cents though
Thanks for all the criticism. Have a great day
angusAll of them? Man, I think that is what my stats say too. I think i'm closer to 250 though, so that is cool, right? I don't disagree that there are some keyboard warriors on eroids but I think that those that have pics posted have pretty accurate stats.
Man that is a LOT of gear. Do you think you need that much?
Thank you brother!...... and the bad news is?
Vikes is Fiftyfknfour tomorrow............................... Raping and Pillaging villages is great for Anabolism lol
Honestly bro...this cycle ain't shit compared to what many many lower level npc guys are running. I mean I don't think it's at all necessary to run this much gear but you're gonna get flamed out of here by posting a cycle like that. you're on the wrong board. Many dudes on other boards are doing exactly what you are doing my friend and aren't getting flamed for it. Try finding a more hardcore board for advice because this just isn't that type of board. I'm kinda disappointed in how everyone went about this. Eroids used to not be about this.
RustyhookerFunny that you post this as some sorta retort. I've seen the cycles posted by the npc and ifbb guys on this site. They're no where near that big.
Mismatched compounds and 60+lbs underweight for and npc/ifbb even. And if he's the underwear midel competitor at his height/weight he's still running 3000 more than whats needed.
Rusty you being one of the more knowledgable guys here, I'm suprised to hear you say that. I know a handful of npc guys and 3 pros who run more than this. Are they all crazy? Yep. Do I think they are doing real damage to themselves? Yep. But facts are facts bud...I know many men who are running 2 grams of test, 1200 eq, 800mgs tren a, plus orals, plus mega hgh and slin. Plus peptides. It's not out of the norm today with even low-mid level npc guys. They've become brainwashed and they think that tons of gear and hgh will somehow override mediocre genetics. It's crazy I know! But this cycle is not uncommon amongst many of men
is it out of the norm no, does that make it right absolutely not. just as there are many mid level guys that do these cycles there are plenty who don't come near it because they either took longer training natural and built a solid base, they focused on the diet and training with precision instead of pushing the drugs hard. the difference between some of those guys and this op are the majority are of 240 and all of them are over 220 and theres like 4 or 5 pros on the open stage out of them all over 5'11 5'12 most are 5'8 5'9 at 240 plus . basically op isn't anywhere near those guys to begin with so that's irrelevant.
Correct bro!
The difference between the ones that do and this OP is that they know how to control the cycle/blast .. whereas this guy clearly does not from the simple question he came asking here.
Some folks know how to ride a wild bull!... SOME DONT!
Yep you're right man. Obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer and has little regard for his own health.
RustyhookerRead his cycle. Pull out the facts.
Stats and he's cutting. Those are the facts. Look at his gear doses and choices. THAT'S the big picture. You know as well as i do he could do it correct. I'm not gonna post a corrected cycle here. The op doesn't give two shits. But if you got skills, you know he could half that without a blink and do better. Less stress on system.
Hell, just the mismatched compounds being corrected and he'd drop % in under a month
I never said his cycle was correct. I just said it's crazy that you guys act so suprised to see these numbers. Again rusty, it's a bad cycle I agree. But shit man 3 of the compound are mild, provi, var and eq? Man there are guys running this plus winny, halo and diuretics lol. This cycle ain't got nothing on what I've seen guys running man.
RustyhookerYou been here long enough to know My big push is matching compounds. Know your chems. You know anyone trying to hit 6% bf jamming high test? Contest prep has lil or NO test included.
Back to the point. It's a crappy cycle. That's it. And yet the op gives 2shits. Doses and gear mismatched.
Agreed. I don't like the cycle either
Idiots attract other idiots.
Hey I'm telling the truth though bro. It's sad I agree. I don't like what these guys are doing but hell he's a grown ass man and if he wants to fry himself running 4 grams of gear than let him. Just saying that there are other boards that wouldn't treat him like an alien on the subject
Thanks for stating the obvious (the OP is an idiot, there are more idiots who will consign for him) We're richer for it.
But he's not an NPC competitor, nor is he anywhere near that standard so whilst I understand what you're saying I don't see the validity.
There are guys running this amount of gear, that is true. This isn't a "hardcore bodybuilding site", so there are lots of different goals / opinions on here. I think you put this across in a misguided way to be honest, but I don't see any malice / bad intention with what you did.
No malice or bad intentions towards anyone here ever. I'm not that way. You have a great point and I agree with you. But it's crazy because I'm around it everyday. There are guys this size man that jump on these huge stacks and they start slamming slin and growth like it's the key or some sort of genetic override man. It's sad but guys are doing it, getting big, getting results and other follow. It's sad but true. I wouldn't just come on here and make this up.
I agree it's very sad, but we try hard to dissuade that type of cycling here, it's a safety first community with a fairly conservative approach. Just think about the way it comes across then you won't find yourself taking shit from all angles. Just trying to get you to see the "eroids way of doing things" ok?
Oh I know the Eroids way for sure and I like that way. That's why I told him he was on the wrong board. I just kinda felt bad for the guy. He took somewhat of a beating and was still really nice about it lol. I just felt bad for the guy.
RustyhookerScreendoor is wide open.....
Bull shit! How do I know? Cause I'm one of them.
Prove it. I don't see your pics. You obviously aren't or you'd know what those guys are taking. Ever heard of boston loyd? The guy that spilled the beans? He's not lying when he did so. There are low-mid level npc guys running more than this, PLUS slin! Again I am not saying this is rite. It's not. I'm just telling you, this is nothing out of the norm with guys nowadays unfortunately. You guys act like it is.
oh jesus bostin loyd yea he spilled the beans lmao and ruined his career because no supplement company in their right mind will sponsor him after saying supplements are junk , let alone he will never win a pron tag, more gear more gear smh. even his old lady got pulled into it and her last show politics bit her in the ass and a ton of people beat her who shouldn't. bostin loyd is whats wrong with the sport and why people look down apon it. an his time will run out also. an yes there are mid level guys running this type of shit but there are plenty who aren't who are clearly beating them. just because its not out of the norm doesn't mean its ok so we try to get rid of it here before in manifests into something more.
Sir, when did I ever say this cycle was ok???
Bro, gotta agree with you. What would I know? You must know guys at the national level and pro level of the sport so intimately that they would share their gear use with you. If you ever actually meet a competitive bodybuilder at the national or pro level (which you have not), ask them what they think of Bostin Loyd. If you meet somebody that has been competing for more than 10 years, maybe even 15-20 years, find out how much gear they use. We have a few pros on this site - so if they tell you your full of shit - they must be lying, no?
I am a trainer at a Gym in ohio that is frequented by npc guys, mid-low level and I am friends with an up and coming pro by the name of justin Compton. I'm tell you right now that boston loyd isn't the only guy running the retarded amounts of gear buddy. I think you are full of shit. Post pics and prove me wrong buddy.
Go tell the pros on this website what you know and when they correct you, just end the discussion by telling them what you just told me. As for me, my job is more important (I need it) than winning an argument with you. What would be the next step - "well you use a fucking lot of gear, GearHead" don't dare tell me you don't.
U are a complete fool what the fuck are u talking about over four grams a week is a monster cycle I don't care who u are. This dude has no idea what he is doin and Will kill himself running stuff like this without knowing what's goin on.He didn't even know why his estrogen was so high are u kidding me. The only reason eriods should be disappointed is bc fools like u would encourage this behavior that can seriously hurt or kill someone
I'm a complete fool? Fuck you man. I never said anything accept that there are tons of other guys running this amount of gear if not more and that this board wasn't the one to discuss it on. I don't agree with it man. I never would run even half of what he's running ever. I never said it wasn't a monster cycle. Go back and read before you call someone a fool buddy. This place is getting worse by the day with this shit.
Shouldn't have posted this mate. Prefacing being rude with "no disrespect" doesn't stop it being disrespectful. You've been given the help you needed, I helped you with that. To that end you've achieved your goal have you not?
Understand you feel the need to defend your position, but that's an over reaction and you need to understand that the cycle you posted is utterly ridiculous. I'm nearly 40, stage ready and 60lbs heavier than you and that cycle is over the top for me. People are concerned about your welfare, that's all. Try and separate what's personal and what's not.
you know I wasn't going to comment on this but after re-reading this a few times im going to. you claim all this and yet no pic and honestly with the amount of gear your running you should be much bigger period there is no excuse for that. you poke at a few of these guys here who are bigger then you and use much less gear, there are MANY guys on her who are substantially bigger then you and don't run over 4 grams of gear on here. nor will the majority of these guys ever run that because we actually have brains and know what that amount of gear does to your body, not only are you most likely permanently shut down at 29 your reading on top of your crazy high estro. an if you must know why I don't have pics its because I care about insides will be soup soon so good luck. if any of this sounds unwarranted if your such G in the game and know it all youd know tren gives false readings on estro , and youd know its soo high because its a false my freedom and do not want to take any chances as ive lost it before and have come close to never having it again, just as I have children. an before you poke at my stats know that ive competed naturally and won im now moving to the npc, my girl has done more shows then you've watched and im willing to bet she can easily make you look silly onstage and in the gym. you've prescribed yourself trt and have no idea the side effects of not knowing what to look for in your bloods like a supervising physician would. soo good luck my friend , and just to add smartass if you knew anything at all your diet in check , with perfect training you would easily have you over 220 but your like every other young fool who depends on wonder drugs there are guys with pro tags who don't run that much gear. good luck or your high estro and future tits.
Hey guys come on give him a break. He's the next Ronnie coleman. Shit Ronnie Coleman would run from him. If u don't believe me just ask the Op he will tell u. I'm sorry sir please forgive us mere mortals and how dare we talk to God's like u. Everyone please shut the hell up get out your pencils and write every word he says.
Bro if I was to take 4100mgs of gear per week I would blow your stats out of the water. You've been training for 7 years and your 204, I've been at it for 3 with 6 months worth of injuries in there so really 2.5 and I'm gonna end this cut at 185, same bf as you. . So congrats you've been training 3x as long as me, your using 8x the gear I use , and you got 15lbs on me. What a fucking joke. Wanna knkw my cycle? 100mgs prop eod and 70mgs var ed. Wait until you see me after I been at it for 7 years I'll be dwarfing you by then. And I'll do this all while I continue to use gear responsibly in amounts less then 1/4 of what your on.Matter of fact give me another year and il be a lean 205. So all in all I'll reach your level of development in half the time with 1/8 the amount of gear. And where will you be, well at this rate with the amount of gear your using your time is very limited. You'll health will continue to deteriorate and if you lucky you'll just be fat and out of shape in a few years. If you not lucky, well i think you can imagine what's gonna happen. Best of luck kid.
I should introduce you to one of my best friends. He's got 30lbs in you at the same bf and he's natural. With the amount of gear your on you should easily be pushing 240-250.
This would be a perfect time to post a picture of yourself......
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RustyhookerAgree! How many guys fresh outta high school did we know all natural at 220.....
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/its-not-the-gear
Best friend is 6'2 235 10% natty. He's a freak.
RustyhookerThats awesome! Great potential right there!
He was 245 with abs this winter. Kids a monster. Doesn't really have any knowledge of diet or training either. He really has some crazy potential.
RustyhookerSo basically you're the one thats lost here, hitting over 4000/week PLUS those extras, and 204 lean sounds proper?
I just helped my buddy to nationals. He never even got close to 2000/week total.
So how can we help you?
X2. Id be suprised if he's even they big. I can't help but imagine some skinny fat 170 pounder behind the keyboard.
RustyhookerCould be a genuine hardgainer tryi.g the gear over food method. True hardgainers gotta flat shovel food down non stop.
Just trying so see his pix, goals etc. Redirect him to a better route.
Believe me man I know all about being a hard gainer. I was 130lbs at 6ft just 3 short years ago. Got up to 220 at my biggest , not a pretty 220 but whatever. I was probably eating enogh to feed an entire family everyday. You literally have to constantly be eating. Miss a meal, lose a pound lol.
RustyhookerKeep killing it in the kitchen and the rest is easy.
Your alls arms weren't over 14"
That's no joke. And for 14" wet nooes they should at least be contest ready. I'm at a lost for words like most of you said about me.
Wet noodles**
You know bro, I see statements like this a lot. But, I'm getting wiser. Please post up the test results. If you don't have the paperwork go an get it. I want to f&&ing see what was it was that actually got tested. Catch my drift? Cause I know and mean I KNOW that your blood work is not normal on that cocktail of drugs.
THE OTHER THING TOO, BRO, I KNOW LOTS OF FOLK HERE HAVE YELLED AT YOU - BECAUSE YOU REALLY DESERVE IT. BUT, YOU ONLY HAVE TO WALK AWAY IF YOU WANT TO. YOU CAN MAN UP, TAKE A LITTLE BEATING AND ASK FOR OUR ADVICE AND HELP AND WE WILL STILL GIVE THAT TO YOU. WE DON'T THROW PEOPLE THAT NEED HELP UNDER THE BUS.
Ok homie as you can see this entire community thinks this cycle is a disaster! You've had some of the most knowledgeable people here comment on your cycle and the consensus is unanimous, you need to stop what you are doing to yourself! Now I'm gonna go out on a limb and offer up my opinion as to what you should do. The way I see it you only really have 2 choices.
If you ever plan on stopping this blast cruise you are on now, you need to do a PCT and stay off the gear for a long time. Drop everything other than the Test P and Aromasin. Run the Test P at 50mg eod for at least 4 weeks so your body has a chance to clear itself of all the drugs you are currently on. You made no mention of prolactin control so I assume you aren't taking anything for that. You need to get either Prami or Caber and get your prolactin under control because you definitely don't want to enter PCT with elevated prolactin levels.
And I might catch some shit for this, but if you have decided that you are never coming off it's time to drop everything other than the Aromasin and Test E and run it at a true TRT level of 100-200mg a week. The same holds true for prolactin control like above.
You have either a training or nutrition problem and it's obvious no amount of drugs will overcome that. It's time to take a step back and re-evaluate what you are doing because it isn't working.