posted Mon, 07/22/2019 - 14:09
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Low dose test c cycle
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Hey what’s up everyone. I’m just trying to gather some thoughts from the community here. I’m about to start a test C only cycle. I have nolvadex on hand for pct as well as arimedex for during cycle if need be. I’ve ran test e in the past, 500/week with no issues etc.
My question is kind of two-fold. My plan is to run a low dose (200/300week) of test c. Not looking to go too over the top.
How much is “too little” and not worth the pinning in your opinion. And what on average would be the max I could go with minimal estro conversion? I know it’s variable, just on average. Trying to avoid the arimedex if I can.
I’m not very gyno prone btw in my past cycles.
Thanks!
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So i guess this is a blanket reply for everyone, and I appreciate all the replies (even the rude ones, yes)
I have been on the fence with this because it’s been a while, and I did other cycles too hard and without the proper knowledge. I suppose I could push myself a bit more beyond where I am now naturally, and I’m not opposed to it. Actually I’m not in a rush, it was more of I wanted to see how low of a dose I could do weekly and still get good gains without going overboard. Maybe this would be a better forum in the older section of the boards? I know it’s not cookie cutter, just getting a general idea on everyone’s advice and going from there.
Also, not sure what’s wrong with asking advice. Isn’t that what this forum is for? Rude replies are what will make some people not post what they want, in fear of being roasted. We all started somewhere. Some of us with shitty advice lol. Have a good day everyone and really appreciate the replies.
I’m probably gonna get roared again but oh well lol.
Alphamale500I was actually about to write a helpful comment to try and help you out here. But then after reading your post a couple of times, I smelled bullshit!! If you want help that's fine. But for us to really help you, then we need you to be completely honest with us first. There are certain things in your post that should stand out as complete bullshit.
If you've run multiple test e cycles at 500mg/wk, then why are you just now asking about estrogen conversion? And you still don't know how much test you can use without using an A.I., or the answers to the other estrogen related questions you're asking??
I'm gonna be completely honest here, this post stinks of bullshit!! If you've run multiple test cycles in your past then you should know the answers to your questions.
"My plan is to run a low dose (200/300week) of test c. Not looking to go too over the top."
This idea didn't come to you before you ran those test e 500mg/wk cycles?? Lol,SMH!!
Just hopped back in here. Didn’t expect that. But not feeding into it lol. Thanks for the reply tho man.
Sure, why do you think the TRT community (not everyone!!!) have settled on a magical one size fits all of 200mg per week?! Just kidding... sorta!
But, you'd be surprised what you could achieve with 2-300 per week. There really is no magic number. Anything that upregulates your metabolism, improves nutrient partitioning, and increases muscle protein synthesis is going to create the perfect environment for growth if you do your part with food/training and rest.
RustyhookerMy first cycle was just 300 and i kept 15lbs. Young and fully focused of course.
Back when we organized the forums the lot of us agreed 500 was a decent 'average' to start. Many of us started on just 300ish but we had to take into account more factors. Put together a cookie cutter that works simple and has good gains. Couple years later the first cycle group was born. Didnt have groups back then. Lol
i would still use a pct combo even though its low dosed. Youre still shut down. Its not like car outta gas and a gallon gets us there.
I agree. I’ve always done well on lower doses. I think can also help you focus on maximizing your food, rest and training to get the most out of what you’re taking, as opposed to relying on the drugs do the work. I’ve found the results last as well.
We’re all different and should see what works for each of us.
Right on man. I couldnt agree more with you.
Agree 100%
All that's gonna do is shut you down and little to no gains..
What are your goals for this cycle? It looks like you're only concerned with avoiding an AI and using dosages of Testosterone that can end up being counterproductive. AAS is for recovery... to keep you in a positive nitrogen balance and help facilitate muscle growth.
On a hypothetical note, even if your level is around 1300, give or take, and you're injecting 250mg per week, and you're saturated per BW, you will need 2-3 times more to grow and aid in the recovery from your weight lifting regimen for a 12 week time frame.
Moreover, TRT doses will help you stay lean and maintain your muscle over time, especially if your cal/mac is ADHERED to and your lifting regimen is consistent.
Have you just only cycled Test, or have you cycled 19-nors, too?
Go to your doctor, show him your blood results, get a full comprehensive blood panel done and talk to him about your options for raising your testosterone. HCG therapy might work, or clomid therapy, TRT isn’t the only option.
Or if you’re dead set on TRT, 200mg is on the high end of TRT doses but fairly common and a prescription is fairly easily obtained once you go through all the testing.
Aromatization is going to be dependent on your body, no one else can know how your body is going to react except you and/or your doctor through blood tests.
200 is a TRT dose at best. You might experience some gains, but I really wouldn't be overly optimistic. Just my opinion you should stay natty or do a real cycle with real PCT!
What’s your body fat percentage? At 175 pounds I hope you’re absolutely shredded
Natty test is 205 and is 37yrs old. I was gonna say the same thing but its Also pretty damn hard to build muscle with test that low.
That said, with test that low I wouldn’t be cycling I’d be going to a doc.
RustyhookerAge: 37
Height: 5’9”
Weight: 175
BF:
Might push for a natural 200 first
X2....with the correct macros and timing of nutrient partitioning, I do believe results could be achieved close to 10lbs. gain within 2 months. If OP doesn't see more than a 5-8lbs. gain with exercise and cal/mac plan within the first month, I'd push for a reboot, or options provided by MD.
RustyhookerTrue true! World of good change in that when done right
It's more of a values/beliefs answer than anything. You mention in your profile that you've been through med school so we can probably skip the physiology explanation of things. It's not clear to me what the "205" value you have listed below. Is that your natural production in mg/dL of test?
Thanks for the reply. Yeah that’s my natural baseline currently after my recent bloodwork. Sorry for the confusion.
Also, haven’t ran a cycle in about 6 years or so.
As you know, any cycle is going to shut you down and decrease the chances of a reboot to even a full 200 mg/dL. I have low test naturally, too, even before I started using anabolics. From my experience each time I PCT'd my level would get slightly lower and recovery became more unpleasant and difficult. That being said, if I was in your situation I would seek a COMPTETENT physician that is progressive and up to date with hormone replacement therapy and consider that route instead. For me it just wouldnt be worth the sub par gains, losing some of those gaind and the misery of trying to reboot my HPTA after a cycle.
Some people feel just fine at 200 mg/dL and if you do feel fine I would strongly urge you to hold back from cycling at all. Running cycles in your situation is a sure bet you will have to rely on trt sooner or later. Exogenous test never simulates the naturally production as your body's ability. Its not like, oh hey, I'm shut down, ill just go hop on trt and there wont be any noticable differences. Theres a big difference and if trt can be avoid, it should.
I've been on trt for about 4 years now and it's far from as balanced as what the body can do, regardless of how great of a physician you have, how frequently your blood is pulled and dial in meds.
Pcushion200 a week minus ester weight is still more than a natural male produces in a week. So 200 is more than sufficient compared to natural. As for estrogen no one can answer that, way too many variables. Bloodwork will be your answer to that. Plus think about your last cycle and how you responded then in accordance to estrogen levels.
X2...agree with that...cycle history, BW Hx, I wondered at first if OP even utilized pre, mid and post cycle labs to check for baseline and post recovery....
Yeah lots of variables, pretty much you confirmed my thought process. Appreciate the reply.
What are you trying to accomplish here?
Diet dictates EVERYTHING, steroids or no steroids...from your stats, I’d be more inclined to offer diet advice over any gear advise
My level is 205 btw, According to my primary. Ran a few cycles before I should have, when I was told not to. And I’m a prime example of why kids in their 20’s should eat more and just train hard lol. But here I am.
Definitely man. My t is on the low side so really looking for a cruise so to speak. Boost the level up, and get some energy back etc. not looking for a blast here to be honest. Slow and steady. I’m on point with my diet, and I def get what you’re saying. Hopefully I’m making sense here lol.
You can increase low glycemic index carbs for boosting your energy....just carbs in general. At 175, you have some room to manipulate your calories and macros to see how your body and metabolism will respond. What's your body type, ectomorph, mesomorph, or endomorph? You can be a mix, to.
Sounds like your mind is made up to “ cruise” with test.... I would advise against it rite now...take the advise Shiva gave... get with a professional and see where that goes. Many alternatives to look at before you start self administration on hormones.
If you truly that low on the test scale and you start exogenous test, most likely you’ll end up on permanent trt.... I would explore alternative options to boost test levels before making that decision