+ 1 Low deca hi test —— hi deca low/no test??
So generally I’ve seen for the most part is running your test higher than deca at say a 2:1 ratio. Recently I’ve see a lot of talks about running high deca with low to no test at all. The reason being that any test taken is going to aromatise and that’s where all the side effects come from. I saw someone on the board here talking about this also a month or two ago. I’m starting first run with deca thanks to a generous promo(have lots of deca). I saw a interview with tony huge(I know lol...)and Taeian Clark and he has most of his clients cycle deca this way(at pretty significant doses)
I know this is going against the grain. So who has actual experience running nandrolone without test as a base? Or with low base?
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jayiskrunning high test and high deca. works for me. just needed to throw in some proviron.
very enjoyable and feel good cycle. great for strength, training and solid muscle gains.
How's the States today man?
jayiskhot and humid. next couple of days will be breaking 100 degrees f...,,i should put it in Celsius it at least sounds colder to me...lol
PcushionI live in the south and you must too. I cringe thinking about just walking outside.
Same here. I'm on the coast in the South East and it's fucking gross. 100+ degrees with 90%+ humidity.
Finally, someone that speaks some sense. I was beginning to think people would rather struggle to build muscle than simply do it an easier more enjoyable way.
So I just finished reading all 3 parts from Giardap and I’m feeling compelled to give it a go. If nothing more I can help contribute some more to the research. It was well written and he put a lot of effort into it. If you haven’t read it already go check it out.
I have always been a less is more kind of guy and found that I made my most significant and lasting gains on Deca/Test at 300mg/250mg PW. Lots of guys will laugh at the dose, but with good diet, and high intensity workouts, even a low dose like this will make great gains. Deca/Test is my absolute fav combo.
I’ve ran 500mg test and 300mg deca and I loved that shit deca made me feel great all around and really made my veins pop deca at 300 is probably all I’ll ever take must have hit my sweet spot the first time using it
Yeah...Deca is my fav. Still got half a dozen vials of it....so tempting.
Nice! I’m very intrigued at the idea of staying on the dry side using deca. One of the reasons I’ve stayed away is the watery bloat you always hear about and it being long ester.
diet is always going to be a big factor with how much of that you experience
For sure. My days of shit diet are done. Getting to old and the body doesn’t act like I’m 20 anymore. I’m not even dieting anymore and I’m still prepping food. Lol gotta be a lifestyle change to keep from getting out of shape.
My veins never pop not even on my hands my whole life when I ran deca my hands and arms looked like a road map and finally got a huge fat bicep vein I was like yeah bitch fucks I’m the man now lol
If you want veins, cut your body fat with high cardio and low cal diet. I have veins across my chest and delts, up my lower stomach and down my arms and legs and I'm on 80mg Test PW - nothing else. There are no short cuts in life, train with intensity and diet - that's it.
If you run it for a long cycle - you will get the 'moon face' bloat, but you can limit the body bloat by dialing in the Test.
There's nothing clever about running a cycle with barely any test in it, I don't know why but some people seem to think it looks good when they run the minimum amount possible.. Surely you want the best possible gains from injecting yourself several times a week - and have loads of energy and strength in your workouts? Having a proper amount of test is also going to build more muscle than 'enough to function'.
My ebc cycle had barely any test in it and I felt great. Actually the only time I’ve run tren and had very minor side effects. With that said it was a cut and I didn’t gain a ton of muscle.
I’m yet run high deca low test myself but from a lot of what I’ve spoken to lads who have done it themselves is to
-avoid running an ai as we all know ais have negative effect of lipids (something I’m interested in)
-able to let a higher dose of deca work it’s magic making lean gains without battling E2/prolactin that test can cause. This person dependant as some can run a gram of test no ai.. bastards.
-apparently drier gains then having test higher than deca
Everyone is different so why not try it, people said the same thing about high Tren low test, and some were right as not everyone reacts well to it but others it’s a dream made in heaven
My next blast once my bloods allow will be TRT test/high deca. Lads like giardap, beard and dope to name a few all have done it with great success and their physiques speak for themselves so why not, if I run into problems I’ll switch things up.
Don't you want to get big and strong from cycling though? You can't do that when running low test. Deca is a good compound for lubing joints and a bit of strength/muscle - but nothing amazing.
Have you ran high deca low test?
No, I wouldn't dream of it. I know how I feel and the results I get when I get some underdosed Test prop and its awful.
I would of thought you of all people with what you’ve been saying recently about members shooting other members down about running gear, you would be keen to see lads experiment to see how their body reacts rather than take what members with unproven/unimpressive physiques say for gospel when it comes to gear and how to use it.
It’s all relative in this game of course and no one here is trying to reinvent the wheel that is high test moderate deca cycles, we all know it kicks ass. This is about potentially finding a cycle for the individual with low sides with decent gains that’s fun to run.
Exactly. It’s about figuring out what works and how you react. Of course there is stupid things that shouldn’t be run alone but it’s common AND preached for people to introduce one compound at a time and figure out how they react to it. I’ve run test alone at moderate dose very briefly up to 1g and I feel more prone to sides than most that just enjoy it and feel good. Seems like there is plenty of evidence that support being able to run deca high with just enough test to keep estrogen in range. If it doesn’t work it doesn’t work and I can go back to the board or kick up the test. It’s hard to bash something you haven’t even tried tho...
Well said mate.
I concur
perhaps nothing amazing to you but I put on a good bit of size running deca cycles. and so do a lot other people
Surely you'd be after strength not size though.
well I like to look good lifting heavy ;-)
How many times can you bench 315 Raw?
RustyhookerLmao!! If you knew her competition lifts, youd sit down on the porch and take notes. ;)
is that important ? ;-)
Come on yo what’s your bench? How much can you curl? Wanna arm wrestle ? Lol
LOL I don't curl often because its not an accessory movement for power lifting but I can curl the 60's for several set of 10 for a nice pump ...
Pork I don't want to crush your soul so I refrain from wrestling ;-)
I'm not a fan of Nandro no Test; but that's just me. I'd always include some Test in the cycle!
Thanks for the feedback. Plan is to keep the 200 cyp trt rolling throughout unless adjustments are needed.
Don’t do anything that idiot Tony says lol
Personally I don’t like Deca so I really can’t say. I’ve ran it and thought it was over rated myself. But if I ran it again I would run it higher than my test to let it do it's job.
some people just don't respond to certain compounds..
I agree with that lol. He’s a crazy guy with some crazy experiments. I have no experience with deca only some npp.
He’s so cocky it’s annoying. Dr Tony Huge? I’m bigger than him lol.
When I noticed in one of his videos that he had a 3ft picture of himself hung above his bed I knew he was a douche bag.
Dude are you fuckin serious?! I knew that guy seemed like a douche that was just trying to make money giving shit advice and selling grey market shit, but the photo of himself above his bed takes the cake... holy fuck. that’s almost impressive it’s so douchey.
Dudes like that give us a bad name.
Saw him advocating high dose trest only cycles before I believe... from what I understand that would all but guarantee permanent shutdown and severe sperm issues. I dunno I could be wrong on that one but I’m almost positive it was him.
RustyhookerKeep nolva in or on hand. If you feel loopy like trt stopped, bump some prop as needed. Ive got more personal research to complete first before adding info.
Definitely will have nolva on hand. I’ve had some bouts with the puffy nips and it’s not pleasant at all.
My last test e Deca cycle was one of my best cycles. Gained 27 pounds, lost 15 of it and looked amazing. I did walk around with a lot of water though and everyone on here told me it wasn’t the Deca doing that, it was the Test. I ran test at 500 mg and Deca at 350mg.
If this is the case, my next cycle will be
400 Deca.
200 cyp
Let us know how everything works out for you. I’ll be keeping a close eye
Thanks for the feedback. I’m gonna get with giardap and check a few things before I finish my plan.
I do.
Read my forums on it. 3 parter. Debunks tejan the abstract surfer.
No test needed for libido when taking nandro, but u do need enough rest (approx a try dose) to create enough estro to function correctly.
test (approx a trt dose)
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Giardap can show you the way on this. He helped me along and I absolutely loved it. Easily put on 30 pounds with just deca and anadrol. Felt great. I did use around 100 mgs of test e every 7-10 days. Whenever I get a bit of a dip in libido. Any more and I would get nipple flares which spin out of control quickly if you’ve got a gram of nandrolone in your system.
Heck yea. Sounds interesting for sure. Have plenty of caber and pharma ana if needed. Gonna read his posts in a min.
as long as you keep test low, you wont need caber! its the estro created by high test cycles that causes prolactin to rise!!!
enjoy!