posted Wed, 11/26/2014 - 00:41
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Are oral aas as hard on your liver as let's say Tylenol or anything with a lot of aspirin and acetaminophen in it? Because I hear the worst thing you can take is tylenol every day. As far as liver damage and killing your liver. I know guys I work with that have been taking 2 tylenol everyday for the past 12 years & It just got me thinking , could someone use and oral for more than 4 weeks? Without destroying your liver?
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RustyhookerGear head I believe posted a good forum on tudca. Seems like with daily toxins any help is good.
GearofWarhttp://www.mindandmuscle.net/articles/a-closer-look-at-steroid-liver-tox...
^^^Here is a great article and explanation about 17-AA'S. Good shit.
Thanks... I'm going to check it out now
According to most medical professionals as long as you stay below the recomended daily dose you're fine. I've talked to a few doctors about this cause due to these cluster headaches I get there's been times where I take it everyday sometimes 2-3 times a day for long periods of time.
As for orals and 4 weeks, idk who told you you can only run orals for 4 weeks. It depends on the drug. Some orals can be run for 8 weeks but you wouldn't want to do that with something like oral tren. Like nitti said it varies on a case by case basis. I've never even had elevated liver enzymes after an oral run. I can dig up a study for you with aids patients taking high doses of anadrol for 16 weeks straight and only 30% had elevated liver enzymes. It all depends on you. But as a whole the toxicity of orals is greatly overstated.
Four weeks just seems to be the basis of how long everyone runs an oral. Also, I've heard that they are so liver toxic that you should not run them for no more than 4 weeks. That is what got me thinking that they could not be no worse than Tylenol or acetaminophen. And I would be up to reading that article about the AIDS patients. I want to learn more about it ,,as much as I can.
Whoa! Yeah you need to find a new pain reloever. Acetaminophen is the worst thing you could take on a daily basis. Not to try and scare you but it is what killed a friend of mine at age 36. He had a couple beers and two Tylenol every night for about 5 years. Liver was destroyed by the time they got to him. Case by case I'm certain it varies but still.
Just to inform ya nitti.. it's not I that takes the tylenol. I Work with a cat that does this tho.. it's every morning at 6am, he pops 2 in. Been doing it forever
I agree with Greg below..... keep in mind that hepatoxicity can vary depending on the compound used.
D-bol and anadrol, for example are going to be much harder on your liver than a compound like anavar.
In the same light, you can look at chronic alcoholics who drink for years.
Short term exposure to toxins the liver can become inflamed and repair itself over time. Long term exposure can cause Cirrhosis, a scaring of the tissue. This scaring is not reversible.
The more scar tissue, the less working liver you have, the more problems you have.
Fortunately we have more liver than you would normally need in a life time. Extreme abuse will cut your life short.
Could you use an oral for more than 4 weeks without destroying the liver (Cirrhosis)? Perhaps, but there is no certain way to tell without a biopsy.
There are other variables to conciser as well. How hard are you working your liver? Drinking, harsh supplements, poor diet, hepatitis. Add that to the mix when you take your orals you increase the damage caused.
everything in moderation.
So what about someone with hep C? I know some ex drug users that are fairly open about their usage and hep, which they juice now, fairly heavy users too add. they are clean from street drugs now also. Im guessing blood work would the only way to tell how their livers are?
For hep, blood work only will show inflammation through higher AST levels. A biopsy will show level of cirrhosis. Hep is a slow killer. Someone who contracts it late in life will most likely die of old age first.
I was a heavy drinker for many years as well as an accomplished intravenous drug user. I also had hep-C
I stopped doing drugs in the 80's and stopped drinking around 2002. About 5 years ago I tested out to be a good candidate for Interferon treatment to "cure" my hep-C. Part of that was getting a biopsy.
The point I'm making by telling you this is; even with 15 to 20 years of drug use, 30 years of drinking, and probably 35 years with hep, my liver has a very low amount of cirrhosis. My liver is fully functional. And I (now) have no detectable trace of hep-c.
That is not a license to throw caution to the wind and do what the hell you want. It does demonstrate how remarkable our bodies are.
Please restore my voting ability so I can give you about 900 thumbs.
Awesome brother! Glad to hear your doing good.
RustyhookerAlways great info!