+ 9 I've just had an apostrophe
Bare with me here, what if there was a trusted members group, not a cult but members from eroids or even other boards that people have found to be honest, helpful and trustworthy and we (the community) pitched in to a pool that could be used to test random sources gear. Not the same member each time, a rotation, of who sends off the vial. I believe most sources have a reward program for lab results so that should cover the cost of the shipping and the loss of gear.
These wouldn't be freebies that sources provide for testing, nor done with the sources consent but some kind of randomization that would keep sources honest and provide proper scrutiny to all sources without bias. We could call this an oversight committee of some sort. All donation based. Maybe even set up the donation bin directly with someone like Janos for the oversight committee so no one else touches funds. A open wallet that can be viewed by all and donated to by all and maybe 2-3 (non eroids) moderators who direct the ordering process for the reports.
P.S. I'm also going to watch Hook and I propose you all do that too
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The good that came from this is that we see Janos is legit. I k se he was legit because I sent him a blind sample of Watson testosterone from the pharmacy and posted them here about a year ago with help from BFG. He actually reimbursed me for the testing because it helped the eroids website and its members. There are guys testing here already. And it’s working because he actually caught the biggest manufacturer on here with fad product. So I say it’s working already. We keep doing what we are doing. Most stuff that comes back is pretty on point.
I would for sure donate to such a group wherever it was established. I have thought about hiring my own gear assistant to send shit off for testing as I can't justify taking time off work to ship samples.
I love a good apostrophe.
Ranger3252This happened in years past with benefit auctions, board auctions and donations to the boards and admin. However, you want to know why these boards do not exist anymore (I can name five off the top of my head) but, won’t because it’s not a thing. It holds the boards to criminal liability and a way to shut them down and prosecute said people running these boards. You can’t do this stuff anymore. Any Src who sells gear needs to test their own shit before it’s put to market end of story or wind up dead in a ditch. Do your fucking god damn jobs and test the shit you sell. Fuck!
So what you're saying is that the consumers shouldn't bother with third party verification because all sources are honest and will provide their own testing results? This isn't just about 'mistakes' it's about accountability and keeping honest people honest. Your mentality is that of a woman who walks through a dark alley at night in a bad neighborhood because bad things shouldn't happen to people, however in reality, bad things do happen and sources do slip, they do cheat and they do lie.
Here's some Janos. Great results, no one should ever need to verify these claims from this trustworthy source.
You could create a good house keeping panel from eroids members with limited terms to help prevent corruption.
HOWEVER the weak link here is what is offered for testing. Unscrupulous sources could give their uncut blow to be tested and sell the cut blow on the street. Unless the good house keeping panel had random access this fails.
Conversely random members sending to the panel to get tested creates a chain of custody and privacy concern and is redundant.
Members could proactively, randomly test product. The sources could promise to credit verifiable tests from credible labs with credit simular to a promo as the incentive. This obviously wouldn't work unless the test was done without a request from the source or the member telling the source about his intent. There could be a limit of tests a member is allowed to do to prevent "predictable favoritism" by the source.
That's why I said the sources shouldn't be involved, they shouldn't know who tests, what is tested or when it's being tested.
It would of course require involvement from jano and other labs as they should hold the wallets, not members themselves.
How I see it playing out:
Member A is part of the oversight committee, basically the one who contacts the lab and says "we got a test and member B will be emailing with test #e8001"
The member contacts the lab, provides the information and e8001 for the testing code and ships it.
This keeps Member A and Member B separate from each other. Neither has access to funds, member A only coordinates with who will be sending in the test. The lab can CC copies of results to both but the official 'reward' should go to whoever sent it out and should be posted by whoever sent it out in the official lab photo area. Maybe have a separate single thread where the 'committee' posts up a copy of all the labs they have coordinated so people see directly where their donations are going.
I believe many here would be willing to contribute in the ways that they could if there was some assistance provided, whether financial or with the shipping of gear. If a member has a concern and believe their gear might be bunk, they could get a bump in the list by reporting it and get priority testing.
The problem; if you know the members you know who to make sure always gets the uncut blow.
If each member gets one testing opportunity per year to be taken at any time you are blind as to who and when.
To make it more interesting. Make it a lottery. To prevent you from getting hit with 1000 test results for test-E, only the first posted result is the winner.
Only one test posted (lottery win) per year allowed by members. (If you fail the lottery you keep it to yourself). Game theory would suggest less popular sources would give you better odds of winning.
Only one test per compound per source is allowed every 6 months.
Sources need to add themselves to a participation list and the "lottery payout" they are offering and which products they are willing to have tested. They can withdraw themselves from the list at anytime.
This is very similar to a promo but the member pays to play and gets rewarded after the fact.
Scenario
Result, Bubba Gumpgear has 2 lab reports posted in the lottery Lab results section and has to "payout" for the lab reports per their reward promise
This is a good point. Maybe only the guys who are in charge are the trusted members and the testers are just every joe blow on the board who is considered partially trust worthy and lightly seasoned.
I don't like the idea of sources having any say in who or what gets tested. We can cheat the system and you and I both know, some of us will.
Jrihard89All we got to do is pump @Petecastiglione with 1.5g a week of a brands tests. Then stick him in a room with a bunch of lady boys. If he comes out alive it’s bad test. If he comes out tired.. and I mean dick in the dirt tired. We know it works.
Rinse and repeat over 4 weeks.
Sounds like a flawless plan tbh
They make profit margins that should make testing each batch legit pennies. ESP FUCKING TEST. Bunk test is unacceptable as fuck
Ranger3252Fucking A
Like, all this could be avoided easily. Just take the time to test it. That $100 (whatever jano cost) is nothing compared to the shit storm they deservingly get selling fake test. Let em bury themselves
Ranger3252I have been baffled over the testing procedures or lack there of for the last two days. I don’t let shit get to me like I use too, but this is fucking lunacy. Alternative reality. Make the consumer pay for your quality, control and assurance? Next time I go to buy a new Pavati with my brother n law this summer. I’ll tell them I’m going to test the boat out with my son and nephews wake surfing and hopefully they won’t get hurt.
Good analogy. I feel like it’s just laziness more than a financial thing
I just had a period. As in full stop. Your apostrophe has red flags all over it. I can't see that happening hosted through eroids. @BFG
Eroids shouldn't be part of it at all with the exception of a space (much like the one you have now) that is highlighted for it.
We usually just make @randomdude do it
Ranger3252He tricked me into downloading grindr. I was mad at first now I can’t stay off of it
I use the bussyfinder app @Jrihard89 referred me to. You can toggle between looking for the bussy or being the bussy. It’s fun for a rainy day. Or every day.
Jrihard89A hole is a hole
Dkoon211Also, and dick is still a dick... and it wants your hole....
I wish
Jrihard89You’re obviously on Ultima and not horny enough
I think this is a great idea. As others have said this happens pretty frequently in peptide groups so there’s definitely a way to get it done safely and securely.
If we get a way set up for donations I’d happily donate when I can. Peace of mind is worth the extra few bucks.
This is done over on another board. They have a community group testing fund. It works over there don’t see why it couldn’t work over here.
I think it's a great idea. I'm not sure of the logistics of it all, would take someone smarter than me. But I would donate dollars and gear, whatever I can do to help. I've never sent anything to be tested before, but with the shortages this last year and this funny business with Ul**ma, definitely has me looking into more myself.
Well you would want product from the source from random orders ... Without source having any idea ...that being said who would middle man it .. wed have to have jano or someone set up a ghost address so there's no in between... The commity pics random source with random set of products... So it's completely random maybe the commity rotates hey sources could try to shill on the d l if they we have a base set the temptation could be too good for too long we've seen it before with mods alot in my time on here usually they just step down it's seems back to general population... I'm down to help anyway I can ... I'm not running loads of stuff anymore I have more than I need or should be taking... I'm not saying a commity person just anything to contribute I just got a large order of primo from an international source who they mind there p's and q ' s if you know what I mean but why I mean is ..is it prop or mast or primo or bunk ... Just weird how from all sources on here this supplier has never ran out my gamble but we honestly don't have to with a system like this and jano out there
Exactly. it should also be with recent orders. Gear ordered within X weeks/months so you're not testing gear from a year ago. The idea is to catch us as sources slipping in real time.
As for your question, there is still primo and mast running around. It's being shipped premade direct line from the manufacturers. There's also some raws coming back in to circulation, we've seen mast come back at 90% last month, which I wouldn't use but someone is buying those raws, so testing is more important now than ever before IMO.
Ranger3252My mast and primo along with whatever else I order is tested before it’s sold. Yes, it’s here and only one src a trust right now.
maybe it is, maybe it isn't. You're trusting the word of the source to verify for you. That's like trusting a used car salesman when they tell you everything is fine. DC provided great janos
Unc just send me gear and I’ll use it for you
I do see this successfully done in telegram groups that do group buys for different things. I don’t know how they handle the logistics of money and what not but there are usually a few trusted people who head it up and send the product off. That’d be something to figure out.
And of course it would only be financially feasible if there were enough member participation for donations. Cost of random gear to be tested, $53 shipping cost, and $120 to Jano per AAS oil/tablet sample. Not to mention peptides and GH testing are quite a bit more.
$20 each a month from a good pool of participants could potentially go a long way.
Ranger3252Can’t be done on an open forum now. Too many legal issues and the feds trace money like it’s their bday. Private is the only way this works.
I have a handful of products I was looking to get tested already id be happy to donate.
Another idea is product specific testing groups, the peptide people do it so well all confirming they have the same batch and gathering the troops to bring down testing costs. Not sure why its not a popular thing amongst AAS users.
I’d be down to donate.
Unc, honestly that would be a great move for the community.
If I’m not mistaken, something similar was brought up years ago … I remember @press1 and @anvil talking about it at some point. It always sounded solid in theory, just never seemed to fully materialize. Not sure if it was logistics, trust, or just momentum dying out.
But the concept makes sense. Randomized, community-funded testing without source involvement would add a real layer of accountability and transparency. If structured properly … open wallet, neutral mods, clear rotation … it could benefit everyone.
I’d definitely raise my hand for it. Anything that strengthens the board and keeps things honest is a win in my book.
Funny because @press1 was the first person i thought about when writing this.
I'd vote for you as a trusted member myself. Off the top of my head. @Kasper81@Gh0st I would say @randomdude even though he's a younger account, has contributed a lot to the community with all of his testing and photos. There's a lot of guys here who are good dudes. I'm not sure how it could be controlled but the biggest thing is to ensure sources (like myself) don't get involved at all.
Anvil was doing his own testing, was a cool dude but I don't think it was the right structure. He was testing from the sources as well, which is a no go in my book.
Mate come on - If Randomdude were to be in charge of the dollar he would spend it all on Gay Prostitutes during the first weekend!!! LMAO
Hey. Stop reading my diary after I fall asleep in your arms.
Ohh for sure its a Great idea and one that we've fantasized about doing numerous times lol
The whole thing just never actually materializes that's all, I think the reality of chasing up and collecting payments, someone having the responsibility of running the payment account and collecting samples and posting them often phases people out in the final stages - So it just never happens.
I think if eroids 'supports' it in a way, it could be better. Like have a very visible 'community chest' donation button for HPLC testing. Then all of the testing done by this specific community group, could be posted in the picture forums and specific sticky post. so it'll be clear where everything went, easy audit. I know random likes to use the other HPLC tester so a good way to keep things unbias would be to have rotating wallets for each testing facility that is used. I'm sure we could get jano and the other tester on board. everytime it hits X amount of tests, it swaps to the next testing facility.
Thats an idea. HPLC Community donation box. A couple of dudes to manage the $ and a couple to ship for testing? Accountability and transparency of funds collected/used ?
Just throwing mud at the wall.
I hate clicking that name and being directed to this…
Solid guy. Was great to have him around here… but he’s still out there doing his thing on other platforms, you know how this game is.
Jrihard89Why? So we can get real gear and not Vitamin E? Sounds phony ;)
I’m in! I’ll donate!
I'm here putting it out to the universe, as a source I obviously can't be involved but I'd donate to it as well.
Jrihard89You’re donating because you know your shit will come back legit and spot on lol!
Careful you’ll be USA #1 soon and you’ll be running a promo begging for bad reviews lol
I'll just tag my home boy lifting221 if that happens. Unfortunately, he is not a good option for testers or oversight as HPLC is space magic and the only real testing method in his book are feelings...and love.