it all makes sense now!!!!
this certain lab has great reviews, and i've gotten from them before and never had any problems.
i ordered a 100ml jug, 1 test 1 tren, continued to cruise on 50mg test EOD of their test, and did a tren blast of up to 100mg ED. i was on the tren for 3 and a half months, it was decent. i know that tren makes me sort of pissy so i never thought anything of it while i was on, but even when i got off the tren i was still pissy. i was going through personal issues at the time, not health related, so i thought it was because of that.
since i started using their products, june 1st 2014, i've been pissy.
i got bloods done on monday (yeah, i fucked up waiting this long i agree) and got my results today.
FSH <0.7 (1.6-8.0 mIU/mL)
LH <0.2 (1.5-9.3 mIU/mL)
PROLACTIN 9.8 (2.0-18.0 ng/mL)
TESTOSTERONE,TOTAL 380 (241-827 ng/dL)
total 380, and i've been "cruising" at "200mg" a week since june. this test is bunk. before i switched to this gear i was cruising at the same exact dose and my test was at 927.
so i've basically been off since october... what do i do? i have 10,000iu of HCG, along with clomid and nolva on the way.. should i just run that and then get bloods done or go to an endo?
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If more people would get bloods drawn instead of just flying by the seat of their pants they would see that business is business for UGL's, just because a source calls you Bro and talks to you on their SI page or delivers things to your door does not mean you are getting quality. At least you were smart enough to admit your mistake and I do hope you bounce from this and even learned a lesson as well. UGL's IMO RELY on the fact that 95% of people will not get bloods drawn so they get a bad batch of raws and say "fuck it" and still pump it out because of the 5% that find out its bunk they still made their money back on the bad source they had. I trust noone except my Watson prescribed. I also fell victim to bad gear and that was around the time everyone said the source was gtg and fyre and I was not due for a blood test until after the cycle. BIG mistake and my lesson was learned. Keeping yourself safe is part of this game and that means Bloodwork. Good job on the bloodwork and shame on you for cruising at 19.
X2. Always do bloods, not only to make sure your gear is legit and hold sources accountable but also to make sure this shit isn't effecting you negatively and you're healthy.
so before I comment let me get the facts here. You've been blasting and cruising since 18 and your now 21? Your stats are 21 5'8 190 lbs? You have now crashed your natural test production, and they have sat buried since October? Your now looking for advice as how to fix your mistake? But you've stated you have gone to an endo and he is going to prescribe a treatment to try reboot you and hopefully it works, so why exactly are you asking questions here? Listen to the trained professional who is a certified doctor who handles cases like yours on a daily because its his living, there is now one size fits all fix that every endo uses they are all different and have different methods of treatment , different dosages , different opinions, so saying you already know what he is going to do is ignorant and that's lightly putting it. It also appears you have a few problems , one for being on full time blasting and cruising your diet is trash, along with your natural test, hopefully your endo gets you to bounce back because there are a multitude of things that you might not be able to do like have children , and having to pin every week for the rest of your life. Hopefully the source figures out his issues but at best he will offer more gear which is EXACTLY what you DO NOT need. listen to your endo period , not bro science. Best of luck. Knowledge is expensive sometimes.
golaniyou are 80% correct. first of all my diet is not trash, how would you even know that? my goals were never to be a monster anyway. i am 5'9 190 at 12% bodyfat. but i also havent been training at all since october because i had surgery on my hand but thats a different story.
second, when i first saw my doctor i thought i was on real test and i told him that. so he said he needs to see low test in order for him to treat me. he told me to stop everything, and come back in a month and he will treat me. but now since my levels are low he CAN treat me and i WILL see him on monday.
oh yeah, and if CENSORED offers me more gear instead of a refund and is firm about that offer, i will have the 100ml of test prop sent to a random person here who responded nicely and was helpful.
Its hard to be a monster it takes years of extreme diet and training , but if you didn't want to be big why did you start blasting and cruising doing gear since 18 until now?
He is telling you to do that to see how much damage has been done and probably hoping for your sake your body tries to bounce back , which theoretically it could , but its unlikely.
Good choice , Now that is something I can respect. Hopefully you've learned your lesson bro, everyone fucks up , but how you learn from your mistake is what sets you apart from the herd.
golanii disagree it's actually very likely given my age. my buddy who's 29 had undetectable test, estradiol, LH and FSH he was compltely fucked up after running a bunch of cycle with no PCT. went to an endo and he gave him clomid 50mg ED, and 6 weeks later his test is at 700. but what i'm wondering is, what will happen when he stops taking the clomid?
and i wanted to be nice and aesthetic and lean with a respectable amount of size. over time, i loved the feeling the gear gave me, i became more dedicated, and you just look better when you are not natural even if youre the same size as someone natty. and then i guess somewhere along the line i got addicted
exactly you just answered your own questions , hence why blood work is taken weeks if not months after proper pct is done after a proper cycle. Because the numbers will be strewed if you take them during pct , the idea isn't what your bloods show while on pct its what your bloods look like long after pct is done that's when you know the pct worked and your body bounced back. But not everyone is the same my friend I have personally watched guys run one normal test cycle for 12 weeks with proper pct and never bounce back even after going to an endo , it comes down to your individual genetics and how your body reacts to the treatment , so comparing yourself to someone else isn't wise. If everyone's genetics were the same I would agree , just as not everyone responds to gear the same , to food the same , to training the same, the same way peoples muscular development is different from person to person. There is no one size fits all guaranteed fix for anyone.
I get that , im not agreeing with it or condoning it by any means and think you could've easily done it and got the same results naturally , I think you just enjoying the feeling and also somewhat of a placebo effect pinning gear and what not. In this lifestyle dedication comes from within bro not from a substance. But hey you fucked up and your man enough to admit it. Now its time to face the music and put in the work to get yourself back and make the correct decisions to get there and hope for the best.
If I were you I'd run the pct, wait 4 weeks and get bloods and go to the endo from there. Some of these endos don't even know what pct is. Your levels have been low for how long already? A solid pct isn't going to make it worse. An endo had me shut down from that androgel garbage, ran a cycle afterwards, did a blast of hcg then the standard 100/40 100/40 50/20 50/20 clomid/nova and BOOM I was back! I don't trust doctors for shit, deep down they want you to come back and back again. It's how they pay their bills. I'm not ready for trt yet.
Not everyone is the same. Endos don't just go out of their way to prescribe trt , most of the time you have to jump through many hoops of their protocols before they even bring up the thought of trt , especially considering how young the op is. He needs to listen to his doctor , just because you don't trust them doesn't mean he shouldn't that's just an opinion.
I also see that side of the coin. But the "endos don't go out their way to prescribe trt"? I've only been to one endo so I only have one to base my opinion on. Let's just say I left with samples. Now I don't know how many endos you've been too but at 25, no they're probably not too eager to sign you up. But if your levels were consistently low and they monitored it for a time... Just go to an endo with somewhat of a knowledge in AAS, most of them deal with diabetes and other miscellaneous ailments.
Ask any guy here on trt if their endo prescribed the same treatment as the fucking next guy, their response will be no. I do not need to be trt to know this if you spent any amount of time on this site and have talked first hand with these people you would know this. Also the majority of endos will exhaust all other options of trt before doing it especially with anyone under 35. They are a doctor there fore we don't need anyone's bro science including yours, this guy should be going to the endo but last night stated he would double up on prop to see if he feels better, so there fore he is a fucking cunt too. Endos are like rehab specialists , physical therapists all have different ways of treatment for the same ailments differing from person to person , rehabs have all different methods and dosages differing from person to person, just as endos have different treatment methods and dosages that differ from person to person. You don't need to go to any one of those specialist to know that, it is common sense.
The dude said his endo told him to stop everything...offered no PCT support. Just letting him crash.Let me state that I don't think he should "double up on his prop". No reason to get all butthurt when somebody has a different opinion than you. Spending "any amount of time on this site" will surely see a bunch of different angles to all scopes of interest. Don't really need a 25 year old to school me on what to expect from an endo when you've probably never been to one and just parroting some things you heard from other people's experiences. Now...I've noticed some wise things come from your keypad. I give you props for that. But if you just wanna smartmouth when someone disagrees with you...well you could suck a ball. and all that "we don't need" shit...there ain't no "we"...I'm talking to you
What the Op wrote
Maybe u should read what the doctor is doin exactly. He's doin exactly what needs to be done. The doctor told him to quit for a month and come back. Everyone is different and every endo does things a little different. The doctor needs all the shit he's been pumping into his body to be gone before he can take his next step. Your clearly not as smart as a specialist. If the doctor tells him to quit and come back that's what he does. Now the Op is a dumbass running test prop. He gets what he gets now good luck been a slave to the needle.
Ok let me make this as (common sense as possible for someone in this lifestyle that is) The endo had him stop everything so everything is out of his system before he starts treatment, for example. The longer your off synthetic testosterone the better because it will skewer test results (which is part of treatment) , what will also skewer test results (which an endo basis his treatment off of ) ( also common sense) is if you throw other drugs in the mix like clomid , nolva etc. Another thing the longer your off test the better as fatty tissues hold test also which skewers tests to a small extent. For example how long do you wait to start pct? 4 weeks there is a fucking reason because all remnants of the synthetic drugs need to be out of your system for the pct (treatment in ops case)to work effectively. Also he's not going to give op something to make him feel better for the weekend when we are talking about hormone issues he wants every synthetic drug out of his system including novla and clomid so he can set up treatment. Now op has taken it apon himself and gone against his doctors orders and worried about his short term "feelings" instead of long term "healing". Its not parroting its called using your fucking head, and age has nothing to do with common sense so nice try stop arguing a point that is invalid. I don't spew garbage as anyone on this site will agree to. This is only one right answer , and many different opinions, opinions are like assholes everyone has one doesn't mean an opinion is correct. The we comes into place as the site as a whole and not needing improper info " opinions" on the boards. Also if youd like i could bring in 10 different links to medical studies from medical journals and universities next?
This kid has bricks in his head. There is no brain to speak of. Good on you for trying Tony.
Boom Tony hits it out of the park
golanilisten guy, you clearly didnt read this thread. i am seeing an endo this wednesday but i am just curious to see if this gear is bunk or underdosed or what's the deal. i was on 700mg of tren ace a week on my 19th birthday (nothing to brag about), so im sure a little extra test right before being treated won't hurt me. oh don't call me a cunt bro
U young guys got to be the stupidest people in earth Smh. I've stayed away from these post bc all u want to hear is how great trt is. Well no one will help u here now. NO ONE. If u came here for help we would of helped u but now instead of listening to an endo your still cruising at 21 and goin against what they told u to do. Guess your smarter than an endo to Smh.
And this my friend is why , I just cruise threw anymore , i like to stop by show my respect , but for the most part I keep it moving , lmao I must have wrote ,10 replys to this post , yet my common since told me pege , dont aggervate your self , smh , I cannot belive the incompetence, yes I fucked up bad when I started using , the differnce is when I was aware of the sites and help I humbled myself and admitted to myself , that I know SHIT , and I followed advise ... much respect pege
What's up pege. Hell u get mad respect from me brother. I just don't get the kids today. Makes me wanna bounce my head off the wall
Dont try to understand them to hard your head will pop I know , , now like I said I just float around , getting older I want peace and good convo, not argument and anomosity. , thank the gods , there are some level headed younger gentelmen that want to learn and listen , and thats hard to come by today . Tty later my friend pege
You are going to see your endo and you are still dosing? At 1st I thought you were smart and learned something but you just made me do a complete 180. I now honestly hope your endo denies you treatment but since they took the hypocritical oath he cant, I suggest you go to the Boston Lloyd FB page and follow him. You are now being real fkn dumb and didn;t learn ANYTHING from what anyone suggested. No one should help you at this point because you clearly don't listen. The youth is wasted on the young. Not to Nuthug on Tony but he has more experience and intelligence then you have as anyone can clearly see.
I negged you as your decisions are not thought through properly.
golaniyeah i am GOING to see him, when i see him i will stop. im not just gonna come off this shit i have no PCT at all so i will stay on until i see him
Also, not anti-doctor. I only said I don't trust them
Not sure who negged you, but I gave you 1 back bro, so you're back to even. But listen the guys here and get yourself checked out.
not sure why you have been negged so much in this thread...whoever is doing it is a big puss...
Anonwhy is the op being thumbs downed if there is credibility to what he is saying you idiots are ruining it
golanithats exactly what i was thinking. what am i doing wrong here? why am i getting a bad rep? i made a mistake when i was young and none of you fucks are willing to help, but rather berate me. you'll gladly give advice to the kids like me who come on these websites and lie about their age, but when i am truthful and asking for advice to better myself naturally, this is what i get? fuck all of you, seriously
Anonstupid dumbass people on here man not all but a few who don't have any brain cells. your providing valuable information and still being thumbs downed by morons for things that have nothing to do with the issue on hand. therefore the issue gets dismissed by you having a red tag and others think your issue is a fake. this is a problem for me personally as this is my go to source and want to hear from both ends. I love my source but I'm not a fanboy so i wont attack others if they got poor results from my source. I'm stepping away for a bit before i may say some things that could get me banned
Listen to the doc.. If you don't respond then try the bro-science.. But DONT go on TRT are 21... I'm 37 with 12 cycles under my belt and I've fought TRT.. Takes me longer to recover now then 10 years ago but I always recover....
golanii am. he expected my test levels to be way off the charts, clearly being on steroids. but since labs came back like this i will call him on monday and see what he has to say
AnonPlease post up bloods. Use the same source as you do and my bloods came back good but I ran their enanthate not prop
golanihere you go http://i.imgur.com/1MvPXyM.png
AnonThank you submit the picture to eroids on the submit tab, submit a picture so other people can see and share their experiences. I haven't heard anything bad with the source but I'm no fanboy I hate them with a passion so if something is wrong I want to hear from both sides the source and the person running the gear
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinkgolanihttp://www.eroids.com/pics/bunk-severly-under-dosed-test-from-arl
check it out, and help me get back into green please
I'm certain the question will come, why are you cruising at 21?
golaniwe all make mistakes right? i've been using steroids since i was 18 years old and cruising since 19. i went to an endo on monday, told him everything i've done and i want to come off. he said stop taking everything, and ordered bloodwork for that day, at 2 weeks, and at 4 weeks. then he will treat me as needed. turns out i havent been using anything since october with this test.
You need to follow your endo's directions to the T. Don't take anything unless he says so! He can't treat you properly if you are trying to self medicate.
golaniwell i know exactly what he's gonna do, he's gonna give me 50mg of clomid and then give me a blood test a few weeks later. my plan is to take HCG for 2 weeks, 500iu EOD week 1, 250iu EOD week 2. then clomid 50mg and nolva 20mg every day for a month. 4 weeks later i'll get bloods and see whats up if my levels are still bad i'm gonna go to an endo.
getting explanations just feels amazing, in this case it would be my low testosterone which is why i've been in this funk for the past few months.
I'm sure with all your years of training, that you would know much better than your doctor, who specialized in this field. Good for you Timmy! Learn-um all!!!
Well then I think you've answered your own question. Follow proper PCT protocol, get bloods.
And stop cruising.
Ace VenturaAwesome
golaniat the end, i asked what you guys recommend
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Ace VenturaSorry, I ran out of time to respond.
Your post is against the rules. Source talk is not allowed in the forums.
Are you on a game show? Family Feud?
Ace VenturaLol sort of. I was in line at Starbucks.
golanithats funny, since this website is all about sources. i'll edit my post
This website is customer review based but we have a place for those discussions. The forum is not the place