+ 4 Inflammation from Bunk Ultima TestC
Did anyone other than me actually pin any of this fake gear? Previously I have always used Test-E IM, This was my first time with TEST-C and I also switched to a Sub-Q injection. I initially thought that I was having a reaction to the carrier oil as both of my quads swole up and broke out into a pretty severe, hot, itchy rash, it was raised up like welts covering most of my upper leg. Thinking it was a reaction to the oil I changed sites and pinned my abdomen which also reacted to a lesser degree. has anyone else experienced this?
Obviously my health is the biggest concern at the moment, but I am hoping that OSGear will reach out and provide some type of a resolution for the bunk gear. I have 20 of these all MT009779. I knew buy one get one was to good to be true.
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I had similar issues.
Had to treat my problem with oral Augmentin (375 mg.) and Clindamycin (300 mg.) twice daily for seven days.
Went away but had to utilize rather strong antibiotics to make the problem go away.
First never quad inject... 2nd that is actually super unfortunate. Thats alot of money you spent to get bunk gear. Hope they resolve it properly.
Many people including me had issue and bruise after injecting.
UNIT_how is osgear still number 1 on the rankings? shits rigged
On the bright side at least they are replacing everyone’s gear and you all now have a vitamin E injectable supplement if you ever need it. Still annoying and scary but so is vitamin E deficiency.
Feel for you bro. I have 12 test e.
As you can imagine, we have offered the promotion in good faith. This batch was already noted in the official statement by Ultima as having and issue and it contains the resolution as well. Please open a ticket on the website for replacement.
Thank you I did, I and I already received a reply from them.
Dkoon211Why anyone would ever do sub q testosterone is beyond me. What did you hope to gain with that?
It is becoming more frequently prescribed in this method due to all of the reasons listed below by BnwithasilentE. Most importantly to me, more stable levels. Do some research on it if you haven't.
Dkoon211I think IM is more stable levels. And more steady absorption. That's what I have found with my research.
Post it.
Dkoon211Go listen to Todd Lee, and Andrew Broderick. Are you an subq guy?
Unless those two are medical doctors they are irrelevant to the conversation. I support subQ as perscribed by doctors for TRT only.
I wouldn't recommend subQ for UGL gear, frequent dosing and dosing over 1mil.
To be clear, this discussion has nothing to do with infections... a red herring.
E17Todd Lee is a medical doctor and ifbb pro. I’m not joining this conversation on any side I just did want to point that out. Also here is him talking about it: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKdayzCuY7Q/?igsh=MTlhbWlqeGVqN290bQ==
If you actually listen he is saying exactly what I am and he is voicing preference and opinion. He even says you can, but like dkoon221, explains why it's not best for him... (or doing cycles)
You shouldn't inject large volumes subQ. Which I stated.
This is also a non issue argument. Dkoon is pissed off because I took karma from him once upon a time and he's too immature to let it go. So he chimed in.
The argument is the original post. "SubQ has a greater risk for infection" which is simply untrue.
Sub q is for a few units and if you are the real deal, peeled, good fucking luck keeping that up. Youll see lumps. Subq in my opinion is like putting your pinky out drinking tea. Fancy fucks lol
Like my TRT dose before and after my IM injections for when I blast?
Don't confuse your macho bravado with Alpha.
It works, it's easy, and I don't need to impress you.
I agreed with you. TRT is a small dose to Subq is fine, if you have a spot. Sometimes I dont sub 10% bf. Ive noticed the older dudes that do TRT, always say Subq. Then they act like its superior. Thats my whole comment. You dont need to impress me I promise
Dkoon211Lol I wasn't even thinking about the karma. Do it again lol idc bro. It was actually a friendly discussion that you resorted to insults with. We are allowed to debate yeah?
You are, it seems like a usless round and round looking for a gotcha.
Dkoon211You once told me to get over myself. In this certain instance I would recommend the same to you. My last confrontation with you i ended with your good greg, that is because I understood. And as you said in this instance you pointed out it was best for me, and not others. A friendly discussion. Relax. I have no desire to fight you. On the matter of the karma though lol. You deleted my comments, you can literally go through and see my comments and half of them are deleted. So technically my review status had not been passed, that said. I dont care bro. We area little family here. And I apologize for past rounds I have tried to stir up. But im not interested in the negativity with you. You are exacting. So I appreciate your blessing for the IM, have a great day. P.s feel free to chime in after this message. I will let u have the last word. I know you like that
Dkoon211Ya try to tell email lol.
I’m assuming you are genuinely asking. SQ allows for much easier, painless injections with shorter and smaller gauge needles. Test is released more slowly into the bloodstream which allows for more stable levels and lower aromatization. Virtually no chance of hitting a nerve, vein, etc. No knots or pain in muscle tissue or chance of scarring. The only reason I can think for IM is quicker absorption and ability for larger bolus doses. Larger doses could split to multiple locations and done SQ as well.
In total agreement with you...Slow and steady with a 27 gauge at a 45 degree angle is the way I do my sub-q. I have been doing that for the last 7 years and never once have I got a lump. I even inject my deca for my joints the same way. My labs are always great but I'm not trying to look like superman either.
Dkoon211Fat has a less steady absorption rate. I was actually asking. It makes no sense. (For me at least) whenever I do any sub q, I get lumps. No matter how slow I go. Never had that problem im.
I do subq, and have a lot of scar tissue in my abdomen from 29g needles. Do you mean like no hole scars?
Change sites. Butt, Ventroglute, tricep, shoulders, etc. Its kidn of teh benefit to subq.
UNIT_i big pocket of oil sitting in your fat is way worse than IM
Where are you getting your info? While oil can form a small lump in fat, it is generally much easier for the body to manage than a deep muscle infection. And less likely to be a problem than IM injections where hitting a vain is also a problem.
Subq also has a higher chance of infection.
Not true. IM injections carry a slightly higher risk of deep tissue infection or abscess if technique is poor. SubQ injections are safer and easier to manage.
Don't neg something because you disagree... you are more likely to create an abscess of sorts especially with oil based compounds in the dermis. Your keyword above was "poor technique". That's moving the goal post there.
Dkoon211I agree. Something tells me you won't win this argument though. "Ol greg" dont admit defeat. Sorry Greg,
It's not an argument. The statement was...
Prove that, or prove me wrong.
No, I don't bow to emotional arguments, bro science, popular opinion and the like.
Thats a false dichotomy. There's no losing to a fact based discussion. It's an opportunity to learn. So far you two have only opined, not teach.
Dkoon211I actually wasn't arguing that. I was arguing efficacy of im vrs subq
Andrew Broderick who i am sure you are aware of says im is better for steady levels which help with spikes which helps hormonal imbalances/estrogen spike. I have listed to hours of these guys podcast. People who are actually biologist. For me I got some nasty pip which almost always got infected. So I think that is a variable per person. But IM is the best for me. Scaring sucks, but that's why we have multiple pinning locations.
That's fine and you probably fit into my caveat, UGL, high volume, frequent dosing. Not a good fit for subQ. This isn't an either or situation.
Go in peace, you have my blessing to use IM injections. makes priestly sign of the cross as an anointing
Dkoon211https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8486890/
Does not help your case. I think you need to read the whole of the report... you know, the part of missing the vain when shooting heroin.
Find a report for pharmaceutical drugs administratored correctly that is not older than 5 years.
Dkoon211Ur losing your argument so you result to argument. I know this is important to you, so I will let you think what you want. Bye greg lol
I invite you to read the study and its scope rather than emotionally opine.
Dkoon211Its not fact though...
Agreed it is your (and windings) opinion.
I love you.
Same at you brother. Bring it in... slightly homo.
If technique is good either way abscess' are nearly non existent. If poor, and an abscess is to occur, it's as I've stated, subQ is the better option. Less chance, and easier to manage without damage to muscle. Making your comment factually incorrect.
The neg isn't because of your opinion. E.g., test e is better than c. It's because it isn't based on recent studies, and fact. You are presenting your view as fact.
Doctors have been prescribing subQ injections for TRT for 19 to 15 years now.
My personal experience is SubQ is perfect for TRT doses under 1 mil. Anything over starts to cause discomfort though I've never got an abscess from it. The pluses are also as @BnwithasilentE stated.
Have to agree that sub Q injections daily is best, I usually do 2.5 ml. Got an even level all week, PIP/swelling is negligible, and I won't get a squishy dip in my muscle again!
Dkoon211I mean its widely known that im is more stable. And personally at least for me. I get pip every time I tried sub q. No pip from im ever. But everyone is different. I dont need faster absorption if I pin every day like I do. My levels are normal. But I believe this is a widely debated topic, so we can agree to disagree.
Who said this was an either or? When is "widely known" akin to fact?
I've also shared my caveat based on experience. High volume, low quality UGL gear, can cause discomfort. No argument there. Best for TRT dosing and is safer and easier than IM injections for that purpose.
You're creating an argument where none exists unless you are stating that subQ has a greater risk for infection.