Highs, Lows and PCT woes
If you can read the title it should be self explanatory. Im in a big f@##king mess...
After a short 8 week cycle that consisted of tren a 100mg ed and prop 100mg ed and masterone enanthate ace mix 200mg e3d.
My last shot was june 22 and I started pct on the 1st of july...As of today I am currently having some ed problems. I cant maintain a erection and when it does start growing it will not get to the rock it once was. Depression is kicking in and im feeling like this might last forever..
My girl doesnt understand and I pretty much feel useless..Even watching porn alone and relaxed nothing feels normal.
I fucked up and it scares me to think im the example of what men often fear of getting..
IM 27 and I have libido issues .my pct has consisted of 50mg clomid and 35mg nolva...
I need some real advice no bs...im in a very scary place right now and you could end up in my shoes so lets be nice.
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Ok brother, first things first...always time your cycles to run through summer whenever possible. I'd rather go through the lows after summer.
PCT woes suck, and everyone else is right; the 19nors will kick your ass. Everyone has a different response and tolerance to them, but prolactin is nasty. It can wreck you for way too long if it isn't addressed. If you didn't like prami, you should try out caber. In my experience caber doesn't share some of the pitfalls encountered with prami. Bottom line, if you're running 19 nor you'll need one or the other. Also the concept of cutting 19nors out well before test is valid and will help to mitigate your pct woes.
You get your labs done, check the prolactin, LH, free and total test. Also check cholesterol levels and make sure they aren't abnormally low, since you will need a healthy amount of cholesterol for your testes to start testosterone production. If prolactin comes back high, you need to get on a short course of prami or caber and nip it quick. Then re-run the clomid and nolva at the dosages Jooseman gave. In the future you may want to consider hcg or triptorellin to get the LH signal on the up and up. Keep taking in high quality fats to for your body to utilize for testosterone production, lower the carbs in the process to avoid gaining fat.
Libido...you'll have to suck it up and pick up some Cialis if want your solider to stand at attention for now. Also you may want to check out a peptide called pt-141. Nice little supplement to get libido going even during a rough shut down.
Good luck with the recover man. Keep your head in the game, the more you start to lose it the harder your recovery will be. The mental capacity has to be there. Stay away from 19nors for a while and I would definitely keep re-running bloods every few months to track yourself given the situation and compounds at hand.
Getting bloods drawn first thing tommorow morning.this whole experience has taught me to respect these compounds a whole lot more.. Soon enough and I will regain my morning glory .
JoosemanI believe we play too much on numbers.. noid is right - the 19nor comedown is NASTY.. so, we overlap test and then cut the deca out weeks before (this is merely an example) ive seen people run a full PCT, wait 2-3 weeks, get blood work done and theyre still CRASHED after a 12-14 week cycle, with no crazy doses.. just an ugly 19nor.
my advice: try a prolonged PCT bro.. I'd suggest upping that clomid as well... below ill list something to try
HGH 2-4 IU ED for duration if obtainable (highly recommend this for pushing your axis to produce more test naturally)
Clomid: front load it at 200/150/150/150 (4 days) then run 100/100/100/50/50 (5 weeks)
Nolva: 40/20/20/20/20 (should keep your estro well within bounds given its real)
Aromasin: 25/25/12.5/12.5 (4 days) then run 6.25mg for duration of PCT
I'd definitely throw in a quick HCG blast if possible as well to get a stimulus going...
Ah the 19nor comedown! my first one put me on the couch for 2 months, ruined my libido and ended up on TRT, havent been the same since. ride it out it will come back. after this stay away from 19nors
Thats what im afraid of. Trt at 27 is not a pretty place to be...
Damn that is something else. I am curious what did the cycle consist of and what was your age at the time? You still haven't recovered fully that is alarming.
I dont remember now but first half of cycle was with deca for a coup[le months then went right into my second cycle that consisted of tren prop mast for a month, about 3 months total, 1st and 2nd cycles combined really. that was it i was done PCT couldnt do nothing for me labs 1 1/2 months later had me at 150 natty, went on TRT and it sucks ass compared to natty. I didnt have this forum to learn from at the time.
I have never even heard of anything that bad. I could ask about hundred questions I think this would be one hell of a teaching post that should be a sticky. Unfortunately you got the worse end of the deal but that first hand knowledge puts you in a place that most users even pros couldn't possibly understand.
Which obviously is the majority of our membership here. We always try to dissuade these younger guys from messing with the 19 nors but to date I believe you have the most real first hand knowledge and credibility on this subject that I have read.
I know you are busy beyond measure with duties here let alone your personal life but if you ever have the time to go into as much detail about this and make it stand out as a sticky, the rest of us can just post the link rather than the back and forth arguments. I am genuinely sorry to hear how that effected you as I know it is a life changer for sure.
Anonbut noid everyones just dyin to hop on the tren train !! ;) ;)
I have also questioned why all these people "need " tren.
Im sure that after tommorows tests I will be able to identify the cause and correct the problem...I do not want to have a limp dick.
Same thing happened to me on my last pct. It can be a rough rode. Hang in there!!
Stock up on some cialis or viagra to help things out a little bit till your natty test ramps back up.
First things first,you need blood work. Anything you do at this point would be just guessing. Most people run clomid at 100mg a day for the first two weeks. When running short esters pct start 3 days after your last pin so you went far too long after your last pin before starting your pct and are experiencing what happens when your body has no test. I would get bloodwork, then up my dose of clomid to 100mg a day for the next ten days,then bring it back down to 50mg a day. Are you running exemestane during pct? You may find that your estrogen is high and that is digging the whole deeper. Did you run caber or prami for prolactin sides? Privatemdlabs.com get the female hormone panel and add prolactin to the test.
I was running about 12.5 exemestane daily throughtout cycle. And now its down to 6.5 .I was using prami but I stopped that awhile back and even experienced some nasty withdrawal. Im going to run bloods tommorow.. im hoping this is reversible.
Brother, my libido was in the tank for for 4 weeks, it is just now starting to ramp up again. Mine did work the whole time, I just had no desire. Be patient brother and honest with your lady. I recommend stop even trying for a week, see if that doesn't build up some DSP in you and get you back in the saddle.
Thanks bro . Im getting my bloods done tommorow. Both the prolactin and hormone panel.. heres a recent coupon code 15% off privatemdlabs.com gsmtr45f
I did not use any 19 nors tho brother. I missed that part of your post. Definitely listen to what these guys that have experience with them say. I think my own curiosity about tren has been tempered after reading this thread. Test is fine for me.
Yup things like tren or nandro take longer to recover from =/ prolactin is a nasty little hormone.. You'll have a better idea of whats going on after the blood tests.. You will get better though =]