Front Loading
Ive tried to do alot of research on anabolics unfortunately there is just so much to know and my pea brain can only handle so much. I have never started a forum and I have been here for a year and a half. Anyways one thing that I did find interesting was the process of front loading which from what I gather isn't much of a process . Now if anyone here is experienced with AB's and front loading maybe you can help me understand better of how to do this? What im wondering is because there are so many different types of test esters and enanthate being the longest of which is 2weeks is that the only type you would want to front load or would you even do it with sustanon? cypionate? propianate? And how about tren and deca would you do it for that? Or just let that run its normal dosing? Also if there is one particular favorite cycle that worked wonders for you would you care to share? Hopefully this helps me and some other novice's out there understand more of the wonders of synthetics.
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The one question I have about front loading is, is there a greater propensity to experience the onset of side effects because of the large initial dosage and subsequent rise in blood plasma to levels that would otherwise not be reached for several weeks? So say someone plans on running 1 g of Test E per week and front loads 2 grams for the first and possibly second week, could a rapid onset of sides (Test flu, gyno, etc.) possibly ensue? Or would these more likely manifest as the Test is cleaved from the ester over time. Would like to know if anyone who regularly front loads, especially heavier doses, has any input on this. Cheers
if you front load to get your plasma level up fast and your goal plasma level is the same as would normally give you side fx, then yeah - you could get them
"your goal plasma level is the same as would normally give you side fx, then yeah - you could get them"
thanks molecular. I think that probably about sums it up. Hence, don't front load unless you've (1) used the product and (2) used it at the dosages you plan on maintaining throughout the cycle so you know which sides to expect. Cool, thanks!
Iven't frontloaded yet but I do believe that gynomastia comes on after you come off of cycle as far as balding and hair growth I could see the xtra dose possibly doing something but than again different sides for everyone. Correct me if im wrong guys
I've had to treat gyno 3 weeks in cycle front combo of esters and front loading orals, fwiw
You seem to be knowledgeable enough to answer your own question so I will point you in the right direction. Side effects, both positive and negative are correlated to peak plasma levels of the compound plus time value ( how long the compounds have been used for).
pharm lesson: so you know how every drug you take is in a different from, right? Some are pills you take by mouth, others are patches, some you smoke, and others you inject, you follow. That's because the way each drug goes into your body is different.
Take testosterone - if you take the powder form and mix it with water you're screwed - it won't dissolve, it just stays powder. But if you put it in oil, bam - it dissolves no problem. Now here's the kicker about front loading: drugs, like test e, do the same thing in your body. What I mean is each drug dissolves in the different parts of your body at different rates - so when you take a drug it gets distributed to your blood, your muscles, your fat, your brain, etc all at different speeds. And you're body cleans each drug out at different speeds - that's called the half-life (how long it takes till half the drug you gave yourself is gone).
So doctors and pharmacists use these two things, the distribution speed and the half-life, to figure out how much drug they have to give you and how frequently in order to get a certain amount JUST in your blood (plasma). That's why you can take one aleve all day but you gotta take 2 ibuprofen every 6 hrs... There are formulas that will show you how much you have to take if you want get your blood level of a certain drug up to a certain amount immediately, as opposed to waiting multiple weeks.
So you could increase the dosage of test e you take the first week (loading dose), and then go to your normal (maintenance) dose. Like Bucky says what most people call front loading means taking a drug that gets in your blood really fast (in a matter of days) for the first couple of weeks while they are waiting for the blood level of their long-acting test-e to build up. This is also the reason why it takes a couple of weeks AFTER you stop pinning for the test-e to leave your body.
GearofWar"Take testosterone - if you take the powder form and mix it with water you're screwed - it won't dissolve, it just stays powder."
Just as an FYI you can mix Test raws with water for injection. It's called Test Suspension. I've tried it a few times. Amazing PWO, even more amazing PIP.
Test Suspension has no ester. Test E and Test C wont work in water.
Thanks bro i think i fullly understand the idea of it. I guess to find the best formula for each person is to get blood work done throughout each cycle. Like I said before I plan on trying this the start of my necy cycle which will be in about two weeks.
BuckyDentureI hear what you are saying, and sometimes you just want the thread to have a fresh discussion, Id say dont be discouraged all that easilly.
Now as far as front loading, well you could frontload your EQ all you want but honestly I dont think its going to do a damn thing, because EQ takes so long to kick in.
What makes more sense to me if you were in a rush to get things going is a "kicker". So instead of front loading double amounts of the same long ester, you kick it off with a few more frequent injections of a short ester.
So to keep it simple, lets say we're just talking Test E here , youd pin that twice a week for oh say 12-18 weeks, but for the first 2 weeks youd also pin some test prop EOD . So in a sense you are front loading because you are getting an initial higher dose, but you are also using an ester that will deliver the compound much faster , thus giving you the kicker.
Cool ?
I think i understand. I wish i would have known about it sooner cause I think everyone wants the shit to kick in quick only thing is I only had enanthate at the time. I didnt know the difference from one or the other thats why i started asking alot of questions. You know sometimes when you read about juice it starts getting a little complicated. Thanks for the knowledge. So i guess you wouldnt have to front load sustanon? Would you or would it just be a waste?
BuckyDentureSustanon is going to start working pretty quick anyway, but hey and extra dose the first few shots sure isnt going to hurt.
Now if you do use sustanon, dont believe the hype about it being a super long lasting test. Levels of sustanon can go up and down like a see saw if not dosed regularly. Try dosing your sust MWF for best results.
As far as the reading goes, yeah its a lot of info, but the reality is until you actually jump in the pool theres a whole lot you wont know.
Im gonna jump in the pool alright. Im def starting everything with a little extra dose. And next time i got just enanthate just alittle xtra xtra!
"enanthate being the longest"
This is absolutely not true.
Frontloading is basically applicable to any compound where you dose more frequently then the half-life of the compound. The idea is to get to a specific blood level quicker. It's more beneficial with compounds having a longer half-life. But even in PCT where you see something like Nolvadex 40/20/20/20, that is basically frontloading. You're getting that compound to a higher level quicker and then maintaining that level with the lower dosage. Hope this helps. I tried to put this in simplest terms possible.
I think i get it bro you can do it with any compound but more beneficial for longer half life compounds. But you say enanthate isnt the longest? What is the longest?
Cyp is longer and Undecanoate has a half-life of 34 days.
Read This: http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/relevant-half-...
...and you don't know what the search bar is??
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I guess I wanted to actually hear what people have to say. Guess I wont start no more forums. You just made me feel really small. My forum career is over :(
LOL... Some how I doubt that.
Absolutely anything and everything you want to know is at your fingertips... There are YEARS worth of collective knowledge already in place... Do you want information or validation bro?
True i feel you. Some times just like to talk to other guys that have more experience at this than me and reading can get a little boring thanks for the advice