posted Sun, 01/17/2016 - 19:31
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Deca/Tren SOB
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I've tried Deca and Tren (both acetate and enanthate) from multiple sources. Never noticed any significant gains in strength or size and with each one I have no lungs (get winded very easily) and I'm short of breath most of the time, even when just relaxing. It gets so bad that it ends up being counterproductive to taking anything period. Dose and frequency of pins doesn't matter. Is this a common issue?
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Are u a true ectomorph? Five cycles and still cresting at 200 calls for a re-evaluation in calories and macros, especially while on cycle. I would stick with one compound, and maybe add in proviron...maybe...and maximize different types of real foods. In addition, if your lifting regimen isnt correct, you arent rippin up the muscles and laying down new fiber....
Have you stayed on top of your bloodwork with all the cycles you have ran? Thanks.
It's been 5 cycles over the course of 3 years. When I come off I'm able to keep mostly what I've put on. Started at roughly 145 lbs, got up to 201 was about 196 after pct on the last one, feel like that's pretty substantial in that time, no stretch marks, nothing else negative too notable except the SOB when I take Deca/Tren. Yes true ectomorph though for sure. I took a picture of my labs the last time I was on, levels were at 1,660 ng/dl on sust after 3 weeks on, estrogen was fine, no issues, similar results with previous labs taken. I will post that picture when my 24 hrs is up to do another picture post.
Whats ur T level 6-8 weeks after PCT, though?
Man, I even get out of breath when talking while standing. Haha, so weird when you're not a fat fuck
The cardio issue is definatly a common issue with tren, not so much deca. How long did you run these compounds for and yes what was your pinning protocol and dosing and the duration/ length of time running them? Did you use a da? What was your test doses on the cycles? You gotta elaborate more here buddy, both tren and deca are beasts of compounds if your training and eating properly and have your side bases covered and not gaining gear was either bunk or you have an underlying issue that needs adressed and confirmed by bloods. Holla back.
Thanks for the insight sir...
Cycle (4) started with 500mg/wk sust and 3 weeks in added 50 mg EOD tren A. By week 4 (1 week on tren) I was way SOB(short of breath). At about 2.5 weeks in, switched to different brand (that a buddy uses), same dose, no changes. Discontinued tren after 4 weeks of use. SOB subsided midway through week 6. Had dostinex on hand, did not use as my libido was fine and no gyno and could not find anything online about prolactin being related to SOB. Started 1/2 tab of adex twice a week after discontinuing Tren. Gains stayed about the same for the entire cycle, about 1-1.5 lbs per week. PCT with Nolva, Clomid 4 weeks.
Cycle (5) decided to try Deca. Went with 300mg/wk Deca (admin twice weekly at 150mg/pin), and 600mg/wk of test. Used 250mg/wk sust (admin EOD) and 350mg/wk (admin EDO initially then 2/wk after sust was gone) test c for the first 3 weeks to use up the rest of leftover sust, then fully 600mg/wk test c, This cycle was actually 16 weeks (not 12) since I went with Deca and was planning on at least 8 weeks of Deca and if well tolerated up to 12 weeks. About midway through the second week started to experience SOB again, tried to drop to 150mg/wk Deca in week 4, no change. Went again with different brand and no change, discontinued Deca by week 6. SOB subsided by week 8. Still had the dostinex but did not use for same reasons. Started adex at same aforementioned protocol after discontinuing Deca. Weekly gains were pretty much same as previous cycle.
Gains seemed pretty consistent across entire cycle. Diet was 4,500 calories pretty much unless on the off day where circumstances beyond my control (like my kids) would not allow me to get all my calories.
Agree...i could see Tren causing dyspnea, but not Nandro...
RustyhookerReal stats, goals, priors? Whats your gym style like? Calories?
5 cycles, all test base, first two were test only 10 and 12 weeks respectively, dbol front load ~5 weeks, adex during as needed, nolva clomid pct. Next one was test, eqipoise, dbol mid cycle same ai and pct protocol. Fourth and fifth ended up being test only 12 weeks due to issues with tren and deca and same ai and pct protocol. Pct done for at least as long as cycle.
Stats: 5'8" about 185 right now, was up to 201 at one point, had a kid, life happens.
Gym style, mix it up every 3 weeks or so, little cardio, none while on deca and tren (couldn't breath well enough). Calories usually around 3750 - 4500 when gaining. Eat very clean normally, currently eating 4500 calories.
Congrats on your new baby...
thank you sir!
You should be eating more than that to bulk up
I try and keep to at least 4,000 on a bulk, mostly it's 4,500 but there'll be an occasional day where it's only like 3,750 when circumstances (like my kids lol) don't allow me to eat. I've gained (kept) 40+ lbs in 2.5 - 3 yrs / 5 cycles which I'm pretty happy with.
OP could add 4 more adequately porportional 500 calorie meals thru the day, and see some changes for sure...
lol true