Bulking Compound Selection Help
I'd like to start by thanking the guys/gals in advance for taking the time to offer me their advice. I do appreciate it a lot.
Quick Rundown: Im 37, on 135mg/week TRT, have done a few "blasts" for 12-16 weeks at 400mg TestC. About 6 months ago I picked up some Deca and added it in to my blast at 200mg/week with my test at 400mg/wk. Within a month I began to experience a high level of anxiety so I dropped it and it took another 3 or 4 weeks to return to "normal" for me, which I already struggle with general anxiety. A few months later I tried to add Deca back in at 100mg/week and still got anxiety I wasnt willing to endure. Since then I have just been cruising on my regular TRT dose.
Im seeking your advice to select a compound to assist in my next blast to bulk. Deca is out. I have flirted with the idea of trying NPP to see if it has less anxiety sides and because it would leave my body relatively quickly if I did get anxiety. Im wondering if 19-nor compounds are something I should avoid due to this anxiety issue.
I would like to find a compound that is less likely to cause anxiety and that can help out with appetite. Maybe a testosterone derived compound like EQ would work since I tolerate 400mg of test/week well?
Then there are the DHT compounds such as Mast or Primo , which to my understanding are not as ideal as 19-nors for bulking.
In summary, I'm seeking your advice on selecting a compound that is suitable for bulking, needs to be less likely to cause additional anxiety, and preferably increases my appetite.
Thanks again for your help!
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Dbol? You can use injectable if you want to run it for longer without same liver toxicity issues. I’ve had anxiety issues off and on gear. Sometimes it’s what’s going on in your life and certain compounds may exacerbate that, or it can also be coincidental. I’ve had tren e without anxiety issues and high anxiety before ever having tried gear.
I hear that. Anxiety is often times unpredictable. I can have an explosion happen near me and have no fear or anxiety, yet lay in bed at night with no apparent reason to be anxious and still be uncomfortable. Its funny that you mention Tren. I have wondered if Tren ace would be worth a shot just because sometimes the thing that makes the least sense actually works for some reason.
If you’re going to try tren I’d go with the longer ester. Ace can hit like a train.
I can see that. But im sure you understand the hesitation when trying a new long ester compound as it relates to unwanted sides hanging around a lot longer if they crop up and I decide to stop that compound.
Yes it will take longer to clear your system but as I understand it with tren the difference between how they feel is huge. I know people that have ran both and personally I’ve enjoyed enanthate and wouldn’t touch ace. You could always start lower dose for first 3 weeks and start upping it if you’re feeling good.
Anxiety. Bp spike, high bodyfat---above 12%, estrogen checked, hydration, salt, ????
BP is controlled with a beta blocker since I was young. My body fat is sub 12%, Estradiol is 41. I drink a minimum of 64oz of water a day, which some would say is okay and others too little. My salt and other electrolytes/minerals seem to be in range as well. But yes, when my BP is above 140 I feel more anxious. Good points man. Thanks!
Yes the spike will cause that anxiety. Unfortunatly for any of us as its an alert that somethings not quite right. As gear raises that glycogen and water load it too can cause the bp movement. Dry compounds may be easier on your system. Like lower test and higher primo
Here is my current bloodwork (2 months old) after running my regular TRT (140mg/week test c)for 3 months. Im 6'2", 200lbs, 37 years old.
Hematocrit: 51.3
Albumin: 4.3
Free T: 271
Total T: 915
SHBG: 20
Estradiol: 41
PSA: 0.8
Might not want to run EQ given that your HCT is already slightly above normal. EQ is the worst for raising it so it’ll likely have way you above normal in no time. I feel like you have start EQ around a 46 or 48 at most to not end up at 55+.
Primo would be a better choice. And we have like 60 years of data and studies on its use in humans and it’s got a good safety profile. But where you’re at stats wise now you really dont need another drug. 600mg of test with a good bulking diet will get you where you want to go. It’s all about the diet, training and sleep when it comes to bulking.
I appreciate your input and 100% agree with what you said. I do think that the bottleneck for me is caloric intake. Someone else suggested MK-677 for appetite enhancement. Maybe just kicking up the test and adding MK-677 is as good an option as any. I did a 6 month bulk going from 185 to 230 about 18 months ago while natty. It was a DIRTY bulk for sure.
If Deca/NPP already gave you anxiety twice, I’d cut all 19-nors out. No sense forcing a square peg … if your brain chemistry doesn’t like them, it won’t magically get better next time.
For appetite and steady lean bulk, EQ (boldenone) is the logical move. It’s known to increase ghrelin (the hunger hormone) in some users, which is why appetite often shoots up on it. But … fair warning … some guys also report a mild “flat mood” or low-level depression on EQ, so it’s one of those compounds you gotta test on yourself. And don’t forget hematocrit … EQ raises red blood cells fast, so bloodwork and donations are a must.
Primo and Mast aren’t “classic” bulking drugs, but paired with higher test they’ll still add quality tissue, just slower and cleaner. Think of them more as physique refiners than mass builders.
One last thing: EQ and Primo are both slow burners. Running them less than 16 weeks is basically wasting money, IMO. If you want that classic “bulk” timeframe (12–14 weeks), you’re better off just pushing test higher and maybe adding an oral kicker (like Dbol or Anadrol) to start.
So in short:
Skip 19-nors if anxiety is your limiter.
EQ = appetite + slow lean bulk, but manage bloods.
Primo/Mast = clean gains, not huge size.
Test + oral kicker = simplest, shortest bulk with less anxiety risk.
At the end of the day, you gotta see what your body and mind actually tolerate. Let’s be honest the compound choice will help, but the diet and training are king in this process.
Test and mast keep test higher.
Look into Dr Todd Lee on YouTube he's a big fan of mast but it's gonna be hard to find a source with legit mast but it's out there
Mast P is still fairly easy to come by if he doesn’t mind ED or EOD pins.
Man I don't true the majority of sources posting that they have it no way...
I wanna hug you and tell you everything will be ok.
Yeah, exactly. Mast (same as Proviron) binds hard to SHBG, which frees up more circulating Test … so you basically get more out of the Test you’re running even if the dose isn’t high. That’s why it feels like “Test hits harder” with Mast or Provi in the mix.
Personally, I always keep Mast or Primo in my cruise. I prefer Mast over Provi … not just for libido and hardness, but because it actually has mild anabolic and mood-boosting effects too. Provi is cool for libido and that brick-hard look if you’re already peeled, but it doesn’t bring much else to the table. Mast gives me a better all-around feel.
Mast sounds nice from the mood boosting standpoint since I deal with anxiety. Do you know if it can improve appetite? I will post my most recent bloodwork below if you are interested. Thank man!
I definitely get the mood and feel good effects from mast. It’s pretty incredible in that regard. I already take two different anti anxiety meds and the mast just stacks on that.
Not that I’ve ever experienced or seen, brother … Mast won’t do anything for appetite. It’s more mood, drive, libido, and that “feel-good” edge. If you’re chasing hunger, MK-677 is usually the go-to. It’s a ghrelin mimetic, so it spikes appetite hard for most, improves sleep, and bumps up IGF-1 like running 2–3 IU GH daily (depending on dose). Just gotta respect the water retention and lethargy sides some people get.
Pand knows his shit!
I'd go test, mast and mk can't go wrong if you need a referral for a source for mast I got you he closed down for a month and opened back up a few days ago and had stock
If I remember correctly, Mast has been faked a lot recently due to some China issues, right?
Thanks for the great write-up! It helps a lot man. I appreciate your time. Im on TRT so if I go with EQ im not worried about quick results....im always jabbing myself anyhow.
That’s solid, brother! I think EQ should be next on your list to try.
Look into Boldenone "eq" as well. It is known to up the appetite in many users. On the flip side, many get anxiety from it due to raising rbc.
Experiment and find what works best for you is my 2 cents bro. Same thing we all do
Thanks for your input. If I did go with EQ I would need to figure out blood removal due to being exposed to hepatitis c at a young age. Luckily my body defeated the virus but the presence of antibodies prevents donation.