Bad gear........?
I'm a first timer, and have gone by the book for first cycle. Test E, 600 a week, pining 2 times a week. I'm 7 weeks in, and had to use a new bottle. I'm using one of the top 2 sources for my gear. Same gear, only they were out of Test E 300, so I got Test E 500. First pin was left glute, at .5 cc. 2 days latter, I had a huge red swollen spot on my ass, that hurt like a mother! It's been there for a week. I thought maybe it was a bad pin, so I tried my right glute, and had the exact same issue. This damn red spot is about the size of a fist, and its hard everywhere, and hot. It also hurts like a bitch. I haven't had any signs of sickness, etc......
It was the same routine, and same lab. Do you think it a reaction to the gear, or just bad gear? Thanks.
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Essentially what is happening is that yes with that high of a concentration your body, as it would with lower concentrations, treats the outside hormones as foreign and seeks to destroy. I am currently using Test 500 and tried taking it along with EQ once a week. This I'm afraid was a big mistake as evident from all the test flu I got when my body elevated my core temp and metabolism trying to kill the "foreign" substance. Split your dose, inject very slowly, take ibuprofen and antibiotics for swelling if you got em' ;) and see if you don't feel better.
Good stuff here. I appreciate the info! Sounds like I better stick to the 300, or try and dilute the 500?
after you pin put a heating pad on the site. my right quad was exactly as you described my last cycle, i figured for sure it was infected, but whether it was or not, a couple hours with the heating pad on it and upping my vit c intake from 1 to 2g over a couple days had it good as new. this wasn't high mg oil, but short esters from the same lab you're refering to i suspect. a hot shower after i pin shorts especially seems to always practically eliminate pip ... just something to maybe try, hopefully it helps you too
RustyhookerNice info! Heat gets that bloodflow going
the credit for that actually goes to muta, just payin it forward and sharin what i learned and works for me, but thanks tho rusty!
Test 500 for a first timer is too strong of a compound bro... thats the problem, the amount of powder being pinned is massive for a virgin muscle, even now i still steer away from high MG/ML compounds purely for comfort reasons.
If he's only putting in 1/2 cc then why would that be more noxious than 1cc of the lesser dosed brew?
Because a normal 250mg/ml will have 1cc of oil to sit in and dissipitate slowly.... if he pins 1/2 ml from a test dosed @ 500mg/ml that means he still has 250mg of powder but only in half cc of oil...... think about it!
I dont question your knowledge but Ive gotten pretty strong PIP from bunk gear that probably had little or no active steroid. There must be different mechanisms for when/why the soreness happens.
Different concentrations of BB and BA cause different reactions towards PIP in different people bro... its not always the hormone raws.
And you are welcome to test my knowledge bro it keeps the old brain ticking over, after 33yrs of usage i do forget shit... but as long as i dont forget to keep putting my pants on in the mornings and walking around with my ass hanging out... everything is hunky dory.... lmfaoooooo
There's almost twice as many hormone crystals left behind as the oils dissipate into the tissue. When mixed with another compound, it's lessened. But on its own it can be a bit brutal. I'd imagine on virgin muscle it would be a hell of a lot worse.
Thanks for answering that query for me brother..... you got the facts spot on!.... booooom! +3
X2..... Test 500 mixed with something is great. On its own , I'll get the pirate hobble.
WithdrawlI have problems with high concentration test (anything over 300mg/ml for enanthate or cypionate). You're body probably isn't clearing out all the hormone from your muscle, or you could be having a reaction to one of the solvents or carrier oil if EO was used. You can relieve this by ordering some sterile grapeseed, cottonseed, or safflower oil and using it to dilute your test. If you add 1ml of sterile oil to 1ml of your test 500 you'll end up with 250mg/ml of test and the pain should go away. If your test has EO as the carrier oil and that's what's causing you the problem (some people are allergic to it) you might still get some pain but diluting it should still help out a lot. I've diluted painful stuff in the past and it made it completely painless. I stay away from high mg/ml gear now because apparently my body is a pussy when it comes to that stuff, lol.
It does not sound like bad gear just you have a reaction to it. I have some places that swell up once and a while and takes about a week to go away. With no signs of sickness or fever likely not a major issue. Remember when you increase the MG/ML, in this case from 300 to 500 you are more likely to have a reaction. This is due to the solvent concentration and the concentration of the active product.
http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/article-post-injection-pain.aspx