+ 19 Always keep Dbol in the stash
As a couple of the lads I speak regularly on here know I..
1) Hate Dbol
And ..
2) Aromatise like a motherfucker.
But..
When I first start a course and the hormones are steadily raising and again when I’m finishing a course and the hormones are lowing this is the time when controlling oestrogen levels can be challenge if I want to avoid any unwanted sides. I usually try and keep oestrogen on the higher side as I’ve always seen it like flying a plane, you can function on high oestrogen, like a plane can when flying high, however if you ‘crash’ you’re screwed for some time.
Roll on my current course, I was trying to dial in my Ai switch from aromasin to letro, as letro is the only ai which keeps my levels where they need to be on cycle. Well unfortunately I messed up the other day and woke up feeling exhausted and had dry lips. It could be the deficit calorie diet I’m on or maybe the ridiculous temperatures we are suffering with here in the uk, but I knew my trusty letro was to blame and it had worked to much of its magic and I was in crash land without a dumbbell to curl.
Roll in dbol, 6 year old dbol to be precise. It’s been sitting quietly waiting in my stash for this very reason. I boshed 20mg straight away and another 20mg in the evening. Woke up the following day without the dry lips or feeling exhausted.
My dosages are anecdotal so please don’t follow this to the T, it has taken a few days of dbol to raise oestrogen back up but this time mentioned it was 24 hours. As the title states, always keep dbol in the stash lads!
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I like this...Good advice. I vote this to be Sticky.
Cheers bro. Low e2 is a nightmare.
Keep the intensity as high bros. Bump because you never know who this might help.
Hey Bud! Was just thinking earlier today - have you spoken to Kibby lately? I just wondered how he is getting on
I’ve pm’ed you mate
Yukon_Jackexcellent post bro!! just learned something new
Glad it helped mate.
Nice post, I like to keep dbol and drol on deck, mainly to throw in every now and then preworkout for a nice pump, but what you've mentioned definitely makes sense and a good tool to use when crashing that estro.+1
Cheers bro. It’s got me out the barney rubble a few times.
Good post brother interesting approach that I will try because unfortunately I crash mine to often and have tons of spare dbol. I know you can’t “feel” estrogen levels but I do know how I feel when it’s crashed and after lots of blood results I can guesstimate in terms of way to high or way to low based on sides. Also lots of other clever approaches here
Couple of cycles under my belt and I can feel the same. I use dbol as it shoots my oestrogen up like nothing else, hcg and tne doesn’t come close to Arnold’s candy.
great reading! +1
Thanks bro, glad you found it helpful
I concur. Good nugget for this context, for sure. +1
Cheers bro
Nice post!
Estrogen and Progesterone supplementation in men on cycle.... its the future!
Thanks bro. Now I can control it correctly I can allow it to raise a little higher than I would normally without fluctuations which has resulted in some magnificent gains if I don’t say myself!
Solid,
Once you hit that control for a really steady state, it's a peach! Nice work!!
I always keep Dbol in the stash because firstly I love the stuff, but second it has saved my soul several times in the early days of running gear. When I was buying small amounts at a time and running shorter esters ocassionally I'd forget to order some more prop or there would be postal delays etc. One time I had to go for 3 days without a shot. luckily I was able to compensate by taking doses of 20mg of dbol throught the day otherwise I'd of been on my hands and knees. I know its nothing like having test in you but you are able to stay anabolic and keep energy levels up just enough without feeling like the world is totally over lol
AnonIf i had to pick one thing to be addicted to...
Dbol would be in the top 3, easy.
God bless dbol, another use for Arnold’s candy
Crashed estro is no fun at all! I've been there.
Unfortunately think 90% of us gear heads will experience it at some point!
You need estro for power. Sick of ppl crashing it almost to zero.
A lot of guys are now just running 5mg of dbol a day through their whole cycle, cutting the lil pink ones in half 2.5 am 2.5pm. Works great over time. No sides including liver and it keeps you in positive nitrogen.
Cheers.
That true is it about oestrogen & power? Must admit the odd time I've taken too much adex the following week my numbers have plummetted. I've always thought it was due to water loss in the joints.
Sometimes mistakes happen mate.
Agreed. I've made tonnes!
That’s a how it was run when it was prescribed
Prescribed for what?
Sorry, it was Llewelyn: Dr Ziegler originally recommended 5-15 mgs which was soon drastically exceeded by athletes, he was working with the us olympic team in the late 50’s and early 60’s. But this shows he had demonstrated results from low doseages and it wasn’t necessary to exceed them. Obviously you’ll see greater results but also greater sides.
With regard to the medical uses: 1965 was the beginning of the FDA really looking into dianabol, which was originally prescribed for “debilitating disease and weakened bones”. By 1970 they’d accepted uses for post menopausal osteoporosis and pituitary dependent dwarfism. By the early 80’s the FDA got wise and pulled all medical approval and by ‘85 all genetics as well as the original from Ciba pharmaceuticals was pulled from the shelves.
This is all from “Anabolics” by William Llewelyn.
Three years later and this comment right here is still helping plenty of people! And from me a big personal THANK YOU Bearded_muscle for taking the time to look this up. The history behind most drugs fascinates me, especially dbol. And I've always been a fan of following dosages recommended by doctors. Trust, but verify!!
I forget if it was for a condition or if at that time it went straight to athletes because it was before it was illegal obviously. Duchaine taks about the early days of 5-15 mgs a day being used but usually no more than 5. Then doctor monitored liver values. I’ll pull it up for you and post it in a minute.
I like the dbol history. Interesting.
RustyhookerSTANDING APPLAUSE ON REAL RESEARCH!!!!
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ive used MENT to off set crashed E. Dbol will work too. However, crashed E is pretty painfull, you sure its crashed?
RustyhookerI use tne for that too buy also have dbol in the stash. Both work great as you state.
From what ive seen is the folks hating dbol simply run it in mega doses. Last time i ran it in cycle was long long ago and it was pharmacy human brand. 15mg a day split 3x was plenty. Now folks start at 50....
+2 for good info
Thanks mate. I’m going to experiment with TNE to see if it has a similar effect as there will always be a next time unfortunately.
50mg is definitely the standard dose for beginners now a days, I started on 20mg and worked up to 30mg a couple of times but unfortunately my nipples go wonky donkey after a few days so I drop it quicker than you can say gyno.
TNE does wonders for getting my estro back up. A few 50mg pre workout shots and im back to normal.
Fr sent mate
Great nugget. +1
Hello Sir,
That's an interesting approach, however would rather recommend a blood work as sometimes how you feel does not represent what is happening inside the body. Considering the location you mentioned, medichecks dot com would check your bloods in couple of days for around 29 pounds. Once you know see the numbers there's no more guessing.
But thanks for sharing, interesting approach, may only work for athletes who's sensitive to aromatisation process but still.
Regards
I’m afraid the 29£ check only gives away your T levels. For this you need the Sports hormone check plus at £120. Please someone correct me if im wrong
This would be the sensible way of doing it for sure! However I wouldn’t wait in crash town for any longer than I had to, I would prefer to fight high oestrogen than deal with it low.
I've used test p but I could see how dbol might be a little quicker. Only time i crash estro though is for a comp and my liver has already taken a beating so I will probably have to stick with prop and just suck it up.
Health wise I think prop is the all time winner other than just waiting it out for les damage to the body.
Dbol or hcg does the trick... dbol is a hell of a lot more fun though. This heat wave has been ridiculous brother, stay cool.
Never thought of loading up on HCG instead, great share. This thread has become more informative than I would of hoped. Cheers big man.
I like that idea of HCG, especially if your liver has already been beat up.
Good advice and thinking brother
Thanks fella. Trick of the trade