posted Tue, 07/30/2013 - 16:39
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All short estered compounds produce PIP?
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Do all short-estered compounds have PIP like test-P? I went through a bottle of 100mg/ml test-p and every shot I got bad pip. Didn't matter where I shot it, delts, thigh, glutes. The pip was bad enough that it was affecting my workouts. I have no problem whatsoever with long esters. I would like to try some mast-p or primo ace in a future cycle but if they also produce pip like the test-p, I'll have to stick with the long estered versions.
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I think everyone is different. I get zero pip from short estered gear. Even the high mg. I can pin water based suspension all day in my calves and not feel it. However, give me some test e and YOWZERS!
funny thing about pip and short esters, i can pin anywhere on my body with a short ester accept my right delt. i get the worse PIP there every time with a short ester of any kind or any short ester carrier, but no where else. i dont get it but it happens lol
Are you right or left handed? If your right handed your probable getting bad pip because your moving the pin around during injection because your using your non dominant hand. I have the same problem only on my right delt. The right delt is also the only spot I pin with my left hand.
Both delts give me pip no matter what I'm pinning. Like you said I think it all has to do with pinning technique. Short arms and big chest aren't conducive to pinning delts. Reaching across and trying to keep that pin steady is not an easy task. Thought I was going to bend the needle a couple of times.
I'm a lefty
Oh ok. Guess that rules that out. lol
The test p that I got from a big green guy had very little pip. I was actually very surprised. The test p I got from this guy whose name rhymes with Luta had a bite but it is the best test p I've done. I really curious about mast p. A lot of the highly expierenced guys rave about it. Can't wait to get my hands on some.
RustyhookerMast p for me is best blender for shorts. Alone, I've hit it in all the spots. Cold, warm etc....no pip at all. So blending it with prop...makes it sweet. Cuts the prop pip.
I thought pip was just a part of the game until I started using a well known lab that's been around since Viking was a just young lad.
I have used a few domestic sources, one of them claiming to be the best with the best quality gear. The test e gave me nasty pip for days after. That's gotta be those jagged edged crystals right?
I tried the lab known for the best quality from a source from a free stuff promo....customer for life.
Its all to do with quality gear bro...... simple as that!
Choose brands wisely and get the best you can afford.... as with most things in life cheap usually equals crap.... speak with suppliers to find out which carriers the oil as been brewed with... BA content, BB, content... is it EO based etc,etc.... it may be that you are allergic to a certain carrier oil... these are all things you need to find out if you plan on pinning for as long as i have to make life comfortable.... imagine me pinning and having PIP for 33yrs.... fuck that!.... i know each and every brand that works with me, the others i steer clear from........................ learning curve brother... learning curve.
There definitely is a learning curve in this lifestyle. Soaking up all the info from you and all the others on Eroids has definitely lowered that curve for me but I am still taking baby steps and learning all I can so I don't end up screwing my health up.
33 years wow Vike. You've been pinning longer than my dad has been at his job.
I have gotten some pip more so in the beginning of using gear. But even when I pinned EQ-Ace which is suppose to be notorious for pip I got very little not even enough to restrict motion. But I also think a lot that comes down to how the chemist mixes his compounds. But I don't know enough to say for certain.
I do know that when I read on here about heating the oils was when I first wanted to by BFG a gift for putting up this site lol. Because that made a big difference especially when shooting shirt esters which is my preference.
I heat all my oils and they feel sooo good going in, even the test-p, but the day or two after that test-p shot I am crippled for a few days.
Yeah like Viking said quality gear! Which my idea of quality is that not only is it dosed right and potent but that it doesn't leave you feeling like you got hit by a truck after lol.
Stupid thing is bro... some people think because they get NO pip the gear is bunk lol.... its usually the other way round in my book.
If you ever get any gear that gives a bit of sting... dont do what i have just read on this thread and cut it with a neutral oil, what the fuggin point in that!... best cutting compound is equipoise .. use that and get the added bonus of a few more red blood cells lol... use it to cut anything oil based, you may have read me preaching this before on here but if you havnt there you have it.... ask sexymexy if it works or not bro .
I've been using this technique for a while now and let me tell you, adding EQ definitely cuts down on pip! I'm pretty sure it was you that I learned this from ;)
yeah.. i think i remember a while back bro, you hadnt been here too long back then when we spoke.
That's rite. I appreciate ya brother
Awesome! I do have some EQ and will give that a go if I get some pip from other prop. I'm thinking I should just start out cutting it half and half and just reduce the amount of EQ until the pip shows up?
Perfect... thats the way to go bro.
AnonThe point as I understood it, (and it worked well for me , and others too) was that if you are running a test only cycle, then you still are running a test only cycle. And I understood it to be the rapid absorbtion of the oil ,leaving a crystal like structure of hormone behind which caused the pain. The added neutral oil slows down the rate at which the area can absorb the oil and leave jagged little crystals behind.
Correct in that scenario..... quality raws will not leave behind jagged crystals bro, so IF running a test only cycle source and buy the best available... i.e human grade test...... thats my original point here.
hmm maybe that's why I never get pip, I always have some eq in my syringe!
Yep... works everytime bro, ive had some brutal fkn gear over the years thats how i learned this trick due to always having bold undec in the mix on most if not all of my cycles back then.
Yes I agree! I have made great gains on no pip gear and I plan on keeping it that way.
AnonIve only gotten pip from some props, but not all. Try dilluting with grape seed oil
I have some other brands of test-p that I haven't tried yet. Maybe there is one that will work for me but I hate to be popping open different vials just to test them out. Can get even more $$ if I have to start experimenting with different brands of mast-p or primo-a. If I have to use it, cutting it may be my only option.
Anontry cutting it first. I was using some Mexican prop and it felt like a mule had kicked me in the ass !! Could bareley make it up stairs , but the GSO worked . You can find it here listed under accessory shops
I've never got pip from any compounds. lol only when I hit a new spot for the first time. But I don't even get pip anymore even with calves no matter what I'm pinning or how many mls
I was hoping the pip was due to virgin muscle for test-p. You would think that after a couple of weeks of EOD injections they would get used to it, but they didn't. I even tried injecting less (only .5ml) but it still crippled me.
You done that abdominal prop shot yet?
Masteron prop that I have been using produces zero pip. Not sure about primo.