28 year old skinny dude taking "first cycle".
Well, this is my first post. Here it goes. When I was 16 my meathead brother (nothing wrong with meatheads...I love the man) introduced me to my first cycle. It was a a stack of test/deca. I have no idea the dosage or sides I would expect. 8 weeks went by and I gained about 30 pounds. I was about 190 pounds lean and mean...really mean. I wasn't myself, no idea what I was doing. Any who fast forward I didn't take any pct and shiiiiit did I go back to being super skinny. It was pretty depressing to tell yall the truth, but I slowly started feeling better and started lifting again on the natch. I got my body back with good diet and compound lifts. Sooooo now that I feel like I hit a plateau (probably the lack of test in my body) I would love to take some advice on how to properly dose with pct and all. my thoughts from learning over the years is to take 500mg of test e only with arimidex or aromasin on hand with a low dose of clomid eod. and raise it as I taper off. I'm not looking to get massive since I compete in jiu jitsu. just looking to feel like a boss and have energy and improve my lifts. ok ok a little size never hurt nobody haha. but yeah I'm 28 6'2 currently 170lbs. please eroid family help me out. any advice is cool with me. have a great day... or night.... whatever
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Thank you guys for all the info. As I’m typing this I’m stuffing my face with more chicken and eggs. Im going to try to do 300g protein and more 150g fat. It’s so hard.. I had to stop and take a dump in mid meal each time I eat. #firstworldproblems I’m gonna post again with my resukts in about a month. Thank you guys
RustyhookerIf work allows breaks, then you can split for more easy, dense meals. Milk has lotta cals and easy to drink with meals.
If im pushing hard, 6am bfast...gym...whey...20 mins later meal 2...nap 30 mins....eat meal 3 while cooking meals 4,5,6...900 yogurt...1015pm chicken broccoli. Done. Rinse....repeat
AnonIf competing in martial arts is your top priority maybe you should just maintain what you have naturally. I know that jiu jitsu is brutal cardio so upping your calorie intake will probably do more good than AAS. When competing in body building or power lifting becomes a priority, then you should think about AAS after you've hit your peak naturally.
Hello Sir,
You obviously have already realized that it was not the best idea to administer hormonal substances at the age of 16 as your own hormone levels at teenage years are not stabilized yet and synthetic substances may effect this process. So you know you done that wrong and you seem to be going same route again.
Don't get me wrong, eRoids community is always here to support but in this case gents are trying to tell you that it is not a wise idea to implement AAS substances considering your statistics, previous experience and the most important thing - GOAL. Your appoach to PEDs does not seem to be serious and you can not justify taking hormones by performing better in Jiu Jitsu, it just does not sound right and I doubt eRoids community will support this approach.
I would recommend to look in to your nutrition plan, adjust it and I am sure you will be able to get your weight up, not sure though if that is going to help to become better at your sport.
If however you decide to ignore all the comments, please research eRoids website and educate yourself on AAS and nutrition, you will find lots of valuable information that could change your mindset.
Hope this helps.
Regards
See what kinds of gains you can make with calories and at minimum 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight a day. Space your meals out so your body is not without nutrients to breakdown all through the day. In a combat sport if your training to compete your burning a ton of calories so keep that in mind. Also a key imo whey 1st thing upon waking, twice more during the day one of which is post workout. Then casein at night before bed. Those are just some bare minimum ideas but a start. Research that type of growth, try it and once you see some progress then look to adding some compounds. Also Rusty is kinda right, I won't say pick another sport because there are some guys here that are well known members who are in combat sports and are beast on the build side, buuut it ain't easy. Good luck my man.
Here's what I would do man..
Cycle
Test e or c.. 250mg Monday am Thursday pm weeks 1 thru 12
Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD or as needed (none if possible) Weeks 3 or 4 thru 12
Pct
Hcg 500iu daily for 10 days weeks 13 and 14
Clomid 100 nolva 40 weeks 15 and 16
Clomid 50 nolva 20 weeks 17 and 18
Natural test booster example daa..
You could use an oral Kickstarter if you really wanted like dbol for4 weeks but this being your first serious cycle I'd personally recommend a test only cycle.. this should be a pretty decent starting point bro..I ran an identical cycle not to long ago and gained about25 pounds and after pct kept about15 or so.. Remember pct is in my opinion just important as the actual cycle..Fr me if you want man I'll answer any questions I can.. good luck and pull blood for sure before you start to see what's up.. at least then you'll know where your at
Rustyhooker6'2 currently 170lbs......see a pattern here?
I know what you're saying.. that's why i told him to pull bloods first before anything.. I'm just going what he said..at his heaviest on cycle he was190.. he's at170 now so who knows he might be a hard gainer. .I didn't start putting on weight till I was like30 so who knows.. everyone is different.. he has for sure made mistakes with his past cycle that's why I said to do bloods and was just trying to share what has worked for me.. that's all
RustyhookerHeaviest at 190....now 170. Thats all food bro. Theres no chems needed for that.
I hear ya man.. if it were me I'd probably up my protein to1.5 to2 grams per lb.. maybe even try some weight gainer a few times a day..a couple shakes between meals or something for some extra calories ya know
If you think you have low test because of prior mistakes see a doctor and pull bloods.
Until you know, its all just guesswork and assumption.
You state you are lacking energy while also being a skinny 170lb at 6'2.
Now would be the proper time to first assess your diet then plan and execute a focused diet plan to correct these issues.
Agreed for sure
@wanted said to up my fat. ima try that and see what happens. I'm get blood work on Tuesday and see whats going on
basskiller89I use 500mg test only cycles for myself. I can't imagine fighting on this stuff. I get out of breath eating all the food I need to consume to maintain my size lol JK ..
Time to hit some cardio bro. Lmao it does feel that way sometimes eating so much!
haha i knew this guy that use to train with us that was 300 pounds. He looked liked the hulk, he would eat a small meal after every 6 rolls (rounds in jiu jitsu) how is the pct though.
basskiller89That's nuts lol
Im not sure he is a fighter. But Antoine Valliant. Used to do these videos of spin kicks and flips. I would GUESS he had to be 240 or bigger. Its my guess no facts
basskiller89I've seen some of his stuff, he's crazy
I have shit breathing genetics I guess lol
i guess kicking the bag/ air is different. its waaaaaay crazier having a actual body in front of you trying to kill you. i know marathon runner sprinters crossfit guys that cant fight for 1 minute. you have to fight to fight get me
RustyhookerFood. Or youll just waste money and ruin health.
i count my calories eat 4k with 200p 620c 80f...i even had to slow down and not train and lift that frequently..
RustyhookerThen obviously you need MORE calories or pick a new sport. 200 protein is skimpy.
Of your carbs are really 620g aday. It might be time to try something new. Gain some size by raising your daily fat intake.. shoot for 30 to 50 grams per meal aslong as your eating 3 to 4 meals Raise is alittle at a time
Macadamia nut oil, almonds. Avocado
I easily eat more carbs than that a day and I’m gaining just fine.
I don’t think diet is the problem here. 4k? For an 170 pound guy? And he’s not gaining?
Something might be off hormonally.
OP, you might want to get a panel done
Exactly. Blood work coming soon
Never thought about that I thought it was all about carbs for gain. I’ll try that for sure. Thank you