posted Thu, 08/25/2022 - 16:40
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Suboxone testosterone suppression
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Hello everyone. I battled with addiction my whole life and was prescribed methadone, but recently switched to suboxone. Over the past 6 months I’ve gained weight, got tits, lost muscle, and have been training the same. Just realized I had hypogonadism about a month ago and have never driven faster to LabCorp. I have the test levels of a 70 year old at 22. Stay off hard drugs y’all. It’s never worth it. Discussing with my primary and endo about getting on trt to keep me functioning until I can wean of suboxone then restarting natural production once I’m off. Opinions? I don’t know what to do but cannot keep feeling this way. Having under 180 test is torture!!
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Any of you guys have any experience with sublocade? It's an injection into the stomach fat once a month. Feels like fire going in and leaves a gnarly lump for well over a month at each injection site.
100 bucks says once the drugs are out of your system completely and you get back in shape your test levels will start going back to close to normal. One step at a time 22 year old. Your young enough to bounce back.
Been in the same boat man went through cancer got addicted to morphine and that sent me on a downward spiral at an early age where I was using heroine in an out of jail you know the story. Long story short I recently got released from prison I’ve got 2 years clean now I’ve redecorated myself to the gym and my diet. One of the biggest things for my recovery has been discipline from work, to the gym, to my diet. I keep a tight busy schedule and I push myself at work just as hard as I do in the gym. The minute I start slacking in the gym or in my diet or work is when I know I’m slowly creeping back to those old behaviors that have mean using again. Best of luck to you and your recovery. Stay on these forums it’s been a huge help for me to speak on my experience and your story will help someone else struggling in the Eroids community.
Damn bro...seems like theres so many of us on here with that same story. I got in a car accident broke my neck skull eye socket ribs cerebral spinal fluid leaking from the skull fracture into my sinus cavity. Got prescribed oxycodone dilaudid and morphine. One day over a year later doc said i can't give you these anymore without any real exit strategy. Went into real withdrawal for the first time and didn't know what it was. A friend told me to just keep taking the pills I had and I'd feel normal. One thing led to another and I was using using heroin. I didn't know that the opiates crushed your natural test until years later. Once I was off all the opiates I started using test and I felt a lot better.
HadesPlebYou beat cancer and kicked opioids around the same time?!? I’m beyond proud and astonished man. That’s not easy. I’m starting my trt today at 100mg/week so I’m praying that helps from the low t side effects. Seriously y’all are the best for being so open and motivating! I got this shit! I only took 2mg this morning at 7 compared to my normal 8mg and feel completely fine. Going to ride it out and maybe take 1 or 2 more mg this afternoon. I think it’s easier to tamper suboxone than the doctors want you to believe! Appreciate the kind words brotha. Never slip back!
I just joined this site a few days ago and I never In a million years thought there would be people like us here lol. I'm pulling for you bro.
This is a steroid review site. We all have our vices
DJGK@HadesPleb Hang in buddy. We’ve all been there — trying to kick the habit. Opium in general is a slow, silent killer. Even suboxone — which is SUPER synthetic & toxic as fuck on the body.
I use less than 1/4 of a 2mg sheet, right? Threw up EVERYTIME, so after 3 days of being sick from suboxone, I quit everything altogether.
And that’s how I got clean. Just being sick & tired of being sick & tired. Good luck, brother. Reach out to us if anything triggering comes up, indeed
HadesPlebThese replies have filled me with so much confidence to get off this shit. Going to try 2mg tomorrow and see how I feel. Haven’t risked it too much since this is the best I’ve felt in forever. Hoping that getting my test up will help the mental fortitude side of things.
Thank you brother and thank all of y’all!
Get off that stuff as fast as you possibly can man. I'm speaking from experience, and I've had 10 friends and family die of heroin overdoses in my short life so far. The doctors do and say things to keep you from getting off, it's such a shame the way they treat this drug. If you express a desire to wean yourself off they'll say a bunch of stuff about how "your receptors need time to heal, you aren't ready". They will literally never tell you you're ready unless you demand it from them. Even if you don't do a taper through them, cut the strips yourself and try to slowly take a percentage off each week. You'll be surprised how fast you can get down to 0.5mg per day and still feel fine, good even. Good luck brother, you can do it. Pm me if you ever want to talk
Love when they say oh you're just gonna relapse if you get off of it...fucking assholes
TricepatopsNeed to find a educated doctor or addiction specialist. Alot of these doctors take the weekend course to get approved and go from there. But remember each person is different and yes you do need receptors to heal and get back to normal. It can take someone 6 months to feel normal while on Suboxone or other meds like it to where cravings and doing you routine to get high goes away. A good doctor will start to taper after you are in a good place for so many months and then they slowly taper to reduce your chance of relapsing. Tapering to fast can put you into WDs and maybe make you want to get high. You also have to remember if it is paid for by insurance they have to follow the insurances protocols to still prescribe it to you. Suboxone is only as bad as you make it, but it also saves many lives. If you have to be on 1mgs of subs the rest of your life to live a normal productive life then so be it. It is better then being completely clean and depressed and can't function. Also if you don't have any other mental problems such as depression, anxiety bipolar etc getting off is easier for that person. People with these types of problems on top of addiction are alot harder to treat under standard addiction protocols. Anyways I wish everyone who has dealt with this the best and check out the recovery section that Eroids has oh and one other thing don't trades steroids for opiates seen it quite a few times on here and it isn't safe either.
HadesPlebThank you brother. They have been persistent on me taking 16mg when that literally makes me feel high at this point so I’ve been self-regulating to 8mg the past 3 months, and this month am going to start tapering down a mg a month. I got off fentanyl and had the worst cold-turkey almost dying withdrawls ever, so I know I can get off this shit. Going to see about the trt today as I’m sure that’ll help the mental sides of seeing nothing while training the same intensity. Also just to feel more like a man again. I lost myself for a long time but am back on track! Seriously man- thank you. So many judge, but they’ve never seen it or been through it. It doesn’t matter how strong, smart, etc. you are. Drugs CAN and WILL take a hold of you. It’s a genetic disposition. Much love!
8mg a day is still a TON. My advice to you is to dispell any preconceived notions about what dose you need. Even whatever advice your doctor gave you. no one knows your body better than YOU. you definitely already get this as you realized their initial 16mg dose was way too high.
Wake up tomorrow and take half of what you think you need. Monitor yourself throughout the day and if you feel bad, take the other half, no harm done. But if you get to 11pm and you are surprised at how good you feel, then let that be your new normal. You will be very surprised at how little of that drug you truly need to keep the withdrawal symptoms away.
The shittiest part is if you taper with your doctor, they will charge you the exact same price for 30 1mg strips as they did for 30 8mg strips. If you are prescribed 8mg strips right now, in a month or 2 you could realistically be at the point of having 1 of those strips last you 2 weeks. And then that month prescription turns into a years supply.
Take everything I say with a grain of salt though. I don't know where you are on your recovery process, so if you actually need 8mg a day to keep yourself from going into the city and getting dope then by all means stay on the dose you're at. But if you want to lower your dose I'm here to tell you that it's very possible
HadesPlebI am past the point of cravings by far. 5 months in and never touching street shit again.
I actually have been taking 4mg early in the day and don’t get at all uncomfortable until around 8pm I’ll have to take another 1-2mg. My doc still thinks I’m on 16mg and when I discussed tapering they said I’m not there yet and need another month or two(which is ridiculous). I just got my t tested a month ago and it being so low scared me. Obviously it’s the opioids and my doctor assured me it wasn’t the suboxone. I was lied to and don’t know where to trust. Thank you man. Seriously. Thank you. It has definitely helped me live a normal life but the low test side effects are just as bad at this point. Hate feeling controlled by a drug.
TricepatopsGood way to take it is 2 mgs hour after you wake up. Seen people take it right after waking up and go back to sleep. But take small amounts throughout day and don't take so close to bed if it gives you insomnia. Some people it does some it don't. Don't look at being on subs as a negative and don't ever let anyone tell you that your not clean on them. That is BS. Either you take subs and live a normal life or don't and be an addict or worse in a constant state of depression where you don't or can't do anything. I hate seeing people look at subs as a bad thing and it can be if you abuse it or let it be just like anything else but it is way better then methadone and being hooked on opiates stealing or whatever else you have to do to get high.
HadesPlebTrying this tomorrow. No insomnia, but it does add on to the lethargy… and I’m guessing it doesn’t help having 178ng test. Thanks to all of y’all! Going to update continuously as I start trt through my endo.
TricepatopsAll opiates cause testosterone suppression. Best bet is to get on TRT while staying clean and on Suboxone. Once on TRT from opiates most likely getting your own body to produce test with optimal results isn't that good. Most likely on TRT for life. Slowing ween yourself down on subs to a good level and if you need them to live a good life then stay on it but if you can be clean and live a good life off it then go that way the best thing is to stay clean.
Essentially You are going through andropause low test and higher estrogen but at an age you shouldn't. Get on TRT while on Subs is best bet cause when you ween it will take about a year and can make relapse easier if you are feeling so shitty for the low test and getting of the subs. PM if you want more info, have 16 years of experience dealing with this type of stuff.
HadesPlebStill a ton better quality of life than when I went down the hole of fentanyl brother. I have completely changed since I was 17 and know my mistakes. I have semen collected and frozen already just in case it goes bad. I was obviously unaware of the suppression during my use and it has never been mentioned in my counseling, medically assisted treatment, etc. It feels like something they want to hide to keep ya paying. Should at-least let young guys know! I could’ve been infertile for life! Albeit I didn’t care if I survived when I was using. I am seeing a clinic today but am scared of the results as I am just turning 23. At 8mg a day on the subs from 16 and wean a mg a month at the time. Just know 8 months from now I’ll be basically shutdown and don’t want to keep disappointing myself and others.
TricepatopsThey are now beginning to see it more and realize that opiates do this and subs do it also. A good doctor will prescribe you TRT based on your bloods and for optimal health. Congrats on being sober. Fentanyl is a hell of a drug and it is now the choice over heroin for addicts, it is cheaper and 50 times stronger. Coming off is also 50 times harder. I work with addicts and seen many come and go but you have to want it and realize your an addict to this drug the rest of your life. Also when they put you in TRT talk about your desire to still have kids they can work with you if they are good informed doctor
He's only 22, a good doctor will get him off the opiate substitutes and his body will start to recover and test levels will rise back. As long as he takes the garbage he will never bou ce back I stopped my addiction cold turkey and have been sober for over 30 years. I didnt need trt until 25 years after my addiction because my body recovered.
TricepatopsIT takes time to get off Suboxone or the other similar meds. You need to wean yourself slowly and make sure to our don't get withdrawals and get those cravings again. While he is weaning he learns how to live a normal life and his brain slowly heals but unfortunately he will have low T during this time due to the meds. Or if he wants to go cold turkey and not sleep for 20 plus days he can go that route. Then go through Post Acute withdrawal syndrome for months or longer. If he is going to school or has a job and he can't take time off then he can't go cold turkey. Some of the worse sides besides not being able to sleep and lay still while being tired and having no energy is constantly shitting be sure your bowels are now speeding up to normal and you can't tell if you are going to fart and shit at the same time. Sometimes even going cold turkey can lead to seizures and death. It happens more so with benzo users and alcoholics that's why they are under medical care throughout their stay at our facility. While opiate users get transferred to the other side of care after 5-7 days depending on how bad thier WDs are and there it is just normal supervision. Congrats on 30 years of being clean was opiates your addiction?
Cocaine alcohol and when that wasn't enough it was brown sugar. I went cold turkey since I had no choice due to 5 years in prison. Eating healthy in there and detoxing in the worst way I'm sure I was tanked I was 110 pounds. After 6 months I started to get my shit together and by the time I was released I was 190 and 7%bf. I was massive. They offered me methadone and I turned it down. I knew if I did that I would never recover.I know not everyone is the same and people's circumstances are different but willpower has to be mental and keeping your brain occupied
TricepatopsThat is the worst detoxing in jail or prison cause they don't give a shit about you.
HadesPlebI realize that more than anything. I saw the love of my love overdose in front of me and went cold turkey. We both did and got through the pain. I’m realizing subs and doctors are just as evil as dealers that want your money. They just persuade you “legally”. I want to get off this shit and am hoping fixing my testosterone will give me more mental strength.
TricepatopsSubs are only as bad as you make them. But yes there are greedy doctors who charge high fees for addicts and that is messed up.
When going off the subs is when you have depression and anxiety and can still have months or years of some withdrawal symptoms. Just the nature of opiates. Not all of these doctors are money hungry.