-4 3 Questions you should ask yourself.
Before you even consider buying a gym membership, Before you buy those gym close.
And defiantly before you consider AAS.
Ask yourself three questions.
1.Can I do 30 correct push ups without stopping?
2.Can I do 3 unassisted pull ups?
3.Can I run a mile without stopping?
If your answer is not yes to all of these questions, in my opinion you are wasting your time and money.
Being able to do the push ups , shows the muscular endurance and core strength for that particular muscle group necessary to lift weights correctly for at least an hour, i.e. bench press etc
The pull ups represent your ability to handle your own body weight of course ,but more over your bodies muscular endurance in parallel to your body weight. Meaning is it even gonna show when you build muscle?Are you even gonna be able to work that muscle group correctly for an hour?
Being able to run a mile with out stopping, represents your cardiovascular endurance of course. And It really does not matter how quickly you run the mile, it matters if you can do it without sopping and I do not mean on a tread mill. I mean in real time. Again it shows your cardiovascular endurance which will help you immensely in being able to last at least an hour in the gym , but it also shows your thresh hold for pain.
The above list represents the lowest standards, in my opinion that is.
I hope this helps everyone who is just getting started, and maybe a few who are not making the proper progress.
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yea makwa I am sure you cant knock out 30 push ups, 3 pull ups and a mile. I am sure you made it to your level with out reaching down deep and pushing your self, when others doubted you, not to say people did not help you, but last time I checked bodybuilding is the most individualized sport there is.
just saying bro. I know i am making waves, but its the truth.
Every male on this board should be able to crank 50+ straight pushups and 10 to 12 strict complet pullups in all grip variations . Those stats should be accomplished wayaayy before even thinkin of using anything other than whey powder and creatine....calisthenics / playground workouts are part of what builds a foundation...
I can’t, but I can rep with 375 on the bench.I squat over 500 and can do hacks with 700.Pull ups get me every time though.Of course I have a nice belly.You're missing the point.Lots if power movement guys can’t pull up worth a shit.Its not something they focus on.Maybe I’ll join the local CrossFit and see if I can get mine up!
Well powerlifter guys are a differnt breed. If your reppin that weight your all good in my book as I wasnt really refering to them with thst stement but pullups will help everyone with goals..
Crossfit " kipping" does NOT count for pullups tho!! Lol
I would call myself a power body builder.Most of the time I am fat and strong,but every couple of years I rock the cardio and get below 10%.I was an obese child so its very difficult for me to maintain.Plus I live very close to New Orleans and love food.I also do not use GH or clen or traditional fat burners,bot don't let me kid you,it's mostly discipline that lets me down.I'll also admit that when in shape the pull ups are pretty easy.
your absolutely right, but your gonna lose karma for saying it.
You guys on here think you are helping people by supporting the gym, no your hurting them. Most people who are out of shape take one look at the people at the gym and never even consider working out again because it seems unattainable.
I know because I was one.
jayisk"Most people who are out of shape take one look at the people at the gym and never even consider working out again because it seems unattainable." r u nuts? every commercial gym has out of shape people and average looking people.
The only way ur statement above would be true.., is if u walked into Westside Barbell.
Biggest bullshit i read today....
What a load of bollocks, so if some one is overweight and they want to lose that weight but they can't do those 3 things, they shouldn't join a gym? Makes no sense at all. I couldn't lift any weight or do push ups before joining a gym so I guess I shouldn't have bothered???
Think the guy is a bit upset as has no money for the gym, that’s all.
What if we chip in some money for him, he may calm down a bit lol
good god you guys are taking everything out of context.
I did not say a damn word about people being over weight, my whole point is why would you bother with a gym when you could just go to a park and walk a track or work out in your own back yard. I went to a gym before I was ready and that place was full of overbearing judge mental dick heads.
And the funny thing is you guys are trying to act like the gym is not that kind of place? Bullshit the only gym that is not like that is planet fitness and 90% of the people on this website would not step foot in that place.
you guys are denying the truth, what in the hell happen to this country while I was away.
way way to sensitive .
So go get a member ship there. Its great. All purple and yellow. No big meanes to pick on you. Well unless ypu come to the one i lift at. There are some real life gorillas in there. We will still talk shit because we are men. We have enough respect to not scare any one off that is wantimg more out of life. The most people are going to do what they do despite what every one else is doing any way
jayiskbefore ur push up, pull up, and running criteria to join a gym.., u need to add that u need intensive therapy 1st because u obv have an issue with ur body image.
i have know idea what gym u went to that was full of judge mental dicks. i think it was u being self concision and paranoid.
if u go to a hard core gym most srs people training will go out of their way to help u out. not judge u.
ZackLee
Body image?
are u serious, is that supposed to tell me something.
This is a website bazaar of AAS marketplaces, and full of people who frequent the gym daily, and also maybe use AAS.
"because u obv have an issue with ur body image."
And everyone else on here has what kind of issues exactly my friend?
Of course I have issues with my body I do not deny that, and I work everyday to mold my self to what I want.
I am starting to think some you guys do not even train, I am starting to think maybe this is all just a fantasy.
I am done with this because I realize i am arguing with people living delusions.
jayiski just noticed the websites ur pushing on ur profile pg. supps and prohormones.
that makes complete sense. u r in the work place.
stick to none aas forums and stay on supp forums where u belong with the other trolls.
Im sorry i had to reply.
you have lost me completely?
Pushing? in the work place? what are you talking about bro?
Those websites represent good prices are sarms and pct and bulk protein, prohormones to yea but i am not concerned about those.
If your insinuating that i am trying to take something away from eroids bro you could not be more wrong . Once again i am just trying to help people and it gets taken out of context.
It's against the rules. If you'd like to pay BFG to run an ad you're more than welcome.
jayisk1 st "Promoting and advertising illegal substances ANYWHERE on eroids.com is strictly forbidden."
Maybe a Mod needs to explain this to u.
wtf is pushing in the work place.
i just looked at ur profile pg and u have 4 supp/drug sites.
which makes sense in the way that u think and write on here.
ur responses r those of people u post on supp sites not aas boards.
Maybe crying like a little bitch should be against the rules. Hes doing a pretty good job at that. Good catch on the promotion sites. +1 for you -2 for him.
jayisksign up for crossfit. u will find all the answers ur looking for and like minding idiots. such as ur self.
another mentally weak person.., maybe u just need a hug or a good cry. grow up and be a man and do some work on yourself.., mentally, physically, spiritually and stop bitching like a 2 yr old girl when its nap time..
What's wrong with you dude?
So a fat guy or girl shouldn't work up enough nerve to step into the gym, hit the treadmill and start lifting weights? Lifting is a great way to lose weight. Even if you cant do much.
This is you're opinion on joining a gym, I would have to disagree with you. I respect the overweight guy in a hoodie sweating his ass off and nervous as all hell that people are laughing at him more than a meathead in a stringer thinking he is better than everyone else.
I never said I was better than anyone.
I never said anything about over weight people.
I basically said why bother with a gym when you can do it yourself.
jayiskNo thats a question if u plan on taking a fire dept, law enforcement, military basic test. Ur talking basically about calisthenics.
a gym has weights in it to lift and build muscle. but i'm figuring u dont want to have muscles and be strong. just a six pack to talk selfies off.
What of i can only do 3 unassisted pushups
And 30 correct pullups.
Can i come work out with you
Some people don't have a place to build a base outside of a gym.
Some people are motivated by other like minded people found in a gym
Some people find motivation be having "skin in the game", i.e., the expense of a gym membership
I hope to god we don't have active members on a steroid review board who are at this level of "just starting out".
I respect what your saying and I know your right from a certain point of view.
The bit about having money in the gym , I agree, but just because you have money in the place does not make it any less judgmental.
And you do have plenty of active members on here at the level of "just starting out" why do you think I posted it in the first place?
You edited your title and post to sound less opinionated. Your original stance was, "you should not...".
Don't try patronizing me with your edited version thinking that by adding IMO would go unnoticed.
Also my point was some people don't have a viable alternative and you seem to think everyone should be like you, be it self motivational, socially, or environmentally.
In short, your hypothesis is flawed and not thought out.
And no, we don't have any meaningful percentage of members at your level of "just starting out". We have on occasion the overweight, out of shape, individuals thinking AAS is a silver bullet to weight loss but our members tend to guide them in the right direction. (usually involving a gym).
not that it matters at this point, But if your saying I edited my OP title and post . I am sorry but your wrong, it says the same thing it has from the beginning.
Now my response to you yea I edited that you got me there.
Of course there is a viable alternative, you pointed it out clearly. Still to me bro not being able to stand on your own in the beginning and all the way through is a recipe for disaster. Of course not everyone is self starting, but what is wrong with standing on principle and supporting self motivation. .
Referencing your prior posted remark; military training is not "self starting" it's motivation under threat. It is also geared toward a single broad reaching and common goal of endurance. It is not geared toward the litany of individual goals people make for themselves.
What principle are you standing for? Going to a gym is a means to an end, so is lifting hay bales. It takes self motivation to get up to go to work as it does getting to a gym and truly working out.
The principle is self improvement and discipline whichever path you're taking.
You're premise is flawed. You sound like an old high school jock reliving his glory days. You can not take your military training and use it to thumb your nose at those who feel the need to go to a gym as a "starting place".
jayisk"It takes self motivation to get up to go to work as it does getting to a gym and truly working out." Nice!
The sad thing today is very few people "truly work out" or know what a hard work ethic is.
I don't know I grew up in a generation that had blue collar work ethics. Family members that severed in WW 2, the Korean War, and Vietnam. Men that woke up everyday and didn't piss and moan or got their feelings hurt when someone said something they didn't agree with.
I grew up following the work ethics of BB like arnold and franco that busted their asses in the gym. and watching strongmen like bill kaz.
it was barbells, dumbbells, and basic machines. not all this hammer strength type stuff and doing biceps and cable crossovers 6 days a wk. for instagram pics and likes.
18 yr old kids complain about cyber bullying. give me a fawking break. its social media.., just shut ur accounts down.
bullying back in the day meant that at eight period some kid had his backpack on his shoulder and was waiting for the bell to ring.., so he can try to run home before some kids stump his head in.
Or how about being told at 18 ur going to fight in Vietnam cause u just got drafted.
I do not wanna keep dragging this topic out, I know its dead.
That being said your a smart dude and I like responding to you.
While I do not know if you speak from experience on the military, I assume you do not. Motivation under threat is correct for most of military training, i.e following orders in general, being on time, respecting your superiors, keeping clean and organized, breaking you down to build you back up, all of that and more is expected from you with a cloud of threats over you if you fall short.
Physical training, in the army, in the infantry, is a PASS or FAIL simple. They cant threaten you with physical violence over not being able to do push ups, or falling out of a run. Either you can do it or you cant, if you pass great you move on to the next level, if you fail great you have proved you do not have what it takes good bye thinks for trying, or maybe you get to repeat the training, it depends on your character. Either way you do not move forward with out meeting the standard, and it has to be you that passes if some one attempts to help you , they fail and you fail.
I was over weight and out of shape when I shipped off to basic training, it was war times so the standard were low. Dude I almost died twice during basic training, and believe me if I would have died or killed myself like others did. The Army would have cared less its all geared to weed out the week in the end. I know what your thinking well not everyone is in the military, maybe not but life does not discriminate between military and civilians.
You'd assume incorrectly.
Military training is a test of both physical and mental strength. People in better physical shape than I was failed because they didn't have what it took to stick it out.
It is unfair to use that yardstick to gage the "everyday man" who wants to go to the gym.
I can use your same misguided argument you posted to claim that anyone who is so out of shape that they'd "almost die twice" during basic training that they had no business enlisting until they met the standards you posted.
Then again, your standards don't test for strength of character and will do they?
touche
That’s true Greg, good point, once I step in the gym, my mindset changes to competitive. No way I could same intensity workout outdoors on my own.
try removing your nose from his ass and think for self. He is right , that is because he actually thought about what he said.
Just because you cant find it with in yourself, does not mean others cant bro. A person has to build there own base, you have to stand on something. Depending on others to build you motivate you be there for you, is gonna blow up in your face.
Upload a picture of your physique then we can talk, you definitely have a big mouth, I can see that lol
I would like to upload a pic to prove to you I know what i am talking about bro, but I am sorry I do not trust this site, blurred face or not .
May as well hand the DEA evidence for a future case.
The real tragedy is his slaughter of the english language...
Like serios "close" holy shit clothes?
And defiantly or definetly?
Either way your a dick
Ok... so what about you, idiot?
Karma taken for a typo? Wheres the love, was just reiterating the common theme that this post was crazy... thank you for the correction though
Yea that is what happens when you jump on a bandwagon.
Stand on a little principal dude.
If all you can point out is my spelling you should take a look at yourself before you say anything.
Karma taken for being a dumbass...
Serious, you mean, definitely
Heaze2016lol I don't think he expected this to happen when he wrote this post. All it got him was in the negative.
no i did not expect this.
I was seriously just trying to be helpful.
It is all just being taken to personally.
You may be takeing it personally I just thought it was a stupid post.
Heaze2016Take it as a learning experience. When your judgemental you have to err on the side of caution. Look at Trump for example.