posted Thu, 04/04/2019 - 14:23
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I have my pre-cycle blood work done. This will be my first cycle. It'll be 10 weeks of test E 500mg/week (2 pins each week).
I understand to do blood again after PCT is complete. I see some guys doing blood around 4-5 weeks mid cycle. Is that recommended?
Im a little nervous doing that. I don't wanna get flagged or reported... is that a real concern? I had full blood work done at a site that monitors and gives TRT, not my primary doc.
PCT plan is:
Day 1 – Clomid 150mg - in three divided doses.
Day 2 - Clomid 100mg - in two divided doses
Following 20 days – Clomid 50mg - before bed
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I do my blood work pre - cycle (full hormone panel and general blood test), then do another one 4-5 weeks in but only testing Estradiol, Testosterone, Prolactin (depending on the compounds taking on the cycle), if heavy pre contest cycle may also check liver and kidneys.
Then 3-4 weeks after PCT is done, I do another blood work and again check full hormone panel and general blood work.
basskiller89Hey brother,
I had pre bloods taken and then being on a 500mg e cycle figures blood levels peaked by week 4 according to my calculations. They didn't say anything to me. I also lied and started saying things like I'm starting a diet and incorporating legal peptides such as lyophilized powders, sarms blah blah. At some point she just looked at me and was very honest and helpful so I could obtain T and E levels. They wouldn't let me test for DHT. You can also privately order bloods for quest but I wouldn't stress on a 500mg cycle. With the half life of E I would say that the same where as by week 4 your test should stabilize at normal levels and surely by week 6. I would add Nolva at 40mg/ed for 2 weeks and then most drop to 20mg/ed for 2 weeks. I front loaded my cycle to peak T levels for a longer cycle. Here if you need help brother!!
PcushionYou can obtain test, estrogen or any other hormone panel just by request you don’t need a reason. Doctors and labs operate to make money. You pay them they run the test. You should always stress labs, saying to not stress them is teaching a beginner to take short cuts off the bat. Taking short cuts in the game we play can kill you long run.
basskiller89That's what I thought, I was told that a DHT test is prescribed by an endocrinologist only. I agree, longevity
PcushionNa any doctor can order the test upon request of a patient. The question is whether or not they can read and interrupt the results. I have found over the years that most often I know more about hormones than they average medical doctor I come into contact with. It’s just not their major area of expertise. They don’t really care so much for understanding how or why as they care for providing a solution. They understand the basics but ask almost any medical doctor to explain why it’s not a good idea to take tamoxifen while running a 19 nor and they scratch there damn head. Realistically it would be hard pushed to find a general md that’s even heard of a 19-nor hormone.
RustyhookerIf your real Dr puts in the reports that youre using steroids, you risk losing your health insurance permanently. Youre a high risk insurance the same as iv drug users.
Which is why we push independent testing like privatemdlabs, quest, etc etc etc
Yup true privatemdlabs is gtg
RustyhookerPlus they always have coupon discounts.
and if that shit ends up in your permanent record you can forget about ever getting a payout on life insursnce.
RustyhookerLife insurance....another big poop storm. They use height weight chart from 1950. Im supposed to be 120lbs max. Lol
PcushionYes according to that charge I am extremely obese at 5’10 233.
RustyhookerCrazy old standards. So nutty considering a caliper or dunk test is simple
jayiskaccording to the BMI Ronnie Coleman at his prime would be at 45% body fat.
how can they be so stupid to go by just height and weight to calculate someones BF. plus i think its the same for men and women.
and this goes on the 1st page of your medical reports. this also screws up the stats on morbid obesity.
so someone looking at Ronnie at 45% bf would think he is pure fat..,when he was what 4-5 % at Mr. O.
PcushionI guess all the more reason to trust your doctor. My doctor has been running my labs since I left the endo I started with. I run labs before cycle, after cycle to determine when pct begins and after pct. So I you could say labs 6 times a year. I wasn’t aware that the doctor would put steroid use in a report. I figured why I run the labs was between me and my doctor only. I get insurance companies raising premiums for pre existing conditions but didn’t think they would find out about steroids. I am always learning something new.
Way to many doctors in the USA are concerned about litigation. If that steroid using patient has a stroke or a heart attack will they be at fault? Will they share responsibility? And you can be sure so if you're ever shopping for insurance they will be looking into your health records. This no pre-existing condition thing will not last forever.
back before the Affordable Care Act my wife got dropped from her work insurance because she admitted to smoking weed.
PcushionThat’s crazy man I had no idea. Well if I ever have to change doctors I will be sure to keep all that in mind. The biggest thing that bothers me though is that insurance companies make it where you can’t be honest or turn to your doctor for help and that’s just bullshit. Big picture find a good doc, be honest about what your doing and follow his advice and heart attacks should be no more of a concern than a non user...
RustyhookerIn a perfect world brother.... until then we gotta watch eachothers backs.
PcushionThanks for educating me on the matter. That’s one lesson I prefer to not learn with experience.
Not exactly good advice.
basskiller89I guess if you don't know how your body responds to the ester, even with a half life, better safe on the earlier side to be sure
PcushionNo it’s not. Idealistically one would use labs to tell them when to start pct as well. I used an endocrinologist my first three years cycling and he really opened my eyes and taught me a lot about my body. Everyone’s body is different in every aspect this includes the time it takes to free an ester bound hormone. Labs showed that the enanthate ester has a four day half life in my body. His pct protocol was unlike anything I have seen recommended on any forum but shit worked well.
Fkn YES!!!
100% correct.
a +2 from me.
PcushionThanks man I actually posted some thoughts and some serious deep reading on your thread about hcg-clomid in the pct anti-estrogen section. Think you might really get into it.
basskiller89I might have to ask you for that PCT, I've been using nova and hcg without any real gains
PcushionMan everything I know about hormones came from my endocrinologist. He said things that will really make your head start to question everything we thought we knew. Like
I said I don’t post my protocol bc it’s no something I am willing to debate with anyone. Shoot me a message if you want to discuss it. Try clomiphene instead of Nolvadex. Clomiphene was designed for reasons that make it more well suited for a pct drug.
PcushionMy first few cycles I ran labs sometimes weekly to figure out how to dial in my AI. It taught me a lot about my body. I personally can’t imagine doing it any other way bc it removed all the guess work and kept me from having estrogen related sides. I personally have never had gyno or any other estrogen related side effect due to that. I understand that not everyone can afford that route so four weeks is a good bet in my opinion. If you were having estrogen issues at that point I would prob get them again at week 6 to see your response. No estrogen is just as bad as too much estrogen. As for where, everyone’s opinion is different but either way your protected by patient confidentiality atleast in the states.
You are gonna get lots of different opinions on your cycle, your AI, your PCT and even the use of Clomid.
my opinion...
do bloods with labsmd.com female hormone panel at week 5 or 6
run the cycle for 12 weeks.
wait 20 days after your last testosterone injection before starting PCT, I suggest the clomid nolva combo clomid 100/50/50/50 and Nolva 40/20/20/20/20 mg per day over 4 weeks.
No HCG with PCT, if you want you can run it on your cycle but stop using it before the PCT.
But that is just one more opinion. Great to see you doing homework. You can never have too much blood work done. Its cheap and easy to do with these private labs
Great info, thanks so much!
IMO always book bloodwork through a private lab that sends results only to you directly. Pay out of pocket now and keep it off your medical record.
Add some tamoxifen in pct for when the estrogen spikes and trys to make titties when your hormones try to regulate-
I have arimidex for AI. Planning to take small doses as symptoms show. Unless being blood during cycle is recommended... and no danger of getting in some kind of trouble.
Im reading hcg is taken during the 2 weeks after last test pin, before pct starts, sound right? Gets the balls back to producing.
Pct w/ nolva: ???
Day 1 Clomid 250mg + Nolvadex 60mg
Day 2-11 Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Day 12-21 Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex
RustyhookerAi? Repost pct....
Ive ordered nolva, its on the way. Suppose i need to read up on HCG
Your PCT plan is way off! Where is the Nolva; HCG?